<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi there…<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Nothing wrong at all with the law and principles and nothing wrong at all with the user’s guide (which is one of the finest of it’s kind every produced…:-) ). But I do make the distinction between training events and strategic conversations. The purpose of the former is to make the process as simple as possible to learn, and the purpose of the later is to make the process as simple as possible to use. And the truth is, I actually believe that the best training anyone can get for Open Space Technology is to experience a good one, grab the user’s guide and ngo and use it. That is in fact how the vast majority of people facilitating Open Space have discovered and implemented the process. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And, I think your analysis is spot on about adoption and the late majority folks, but I’m not sure they will join us here…this is a small community of practitioners and we tend to be pretty focused only on OST itself and how that spins out in all kinds of ways. The new late majority folks have discovered the river beneath the river and are seeing what they need to do to work with participatory process in general. They would be the ones Peggy and Steve are pointing too with the Nexus inquiry and what we are seeing the Art of Hosting community and in other places where folks are becoming agile designers of productive process for humans. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I see our job here as continuing to tend the hearth of OST, but I’m under no illusions as to the need to preserve an orthodoxy around its application. A sharp clarity about what it is, yes. An orthodoxy about how to use it, no.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Chris</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 17, 2014, at 2:54 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Greeting Harrison, paul, John, Chris,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">I strongly agree that asking "why about how" is usually not very useful.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://newtechusa.net/agile/start-with-how/" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">http://newtechusa.net/agile/start-with-how/</a><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">That said, I see a pattern here I first noticed in the Agile community several years ago. People who reach the mastery level dispensed guidance that made perfect sense-- to other experts. Yet that same advice just wasn't readily digestible by the many "late-majority" newbies who were flooding in... and seeking some very basic guidance.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">For example, quite a few years ago the idea of "not doing estimates at all for software projects" began to be advocated by certain well-known Agile experts. While that concept is certainly well-grounded in reality and appropriate for very mature organizations, it did cause some less-knowledgeable people to stumble... as they struggled to understand exactly what these experts were actually talking about.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">The 1 Law and the 5 Principles do provide a very useful and accessible template... one that makes it easy for anyone with a "good head and a good heart" to jump in...and facilitate some open space with little or no experience.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">What's actually wrong with that?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Are we actually experiencing the end of the early-majority phase with Open Space?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Is the late-majority stage just getting underway?</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">If so, a great many "late-majority" newbies will be here shortly.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span id="cid:part2.04040203.05010605@newtechusa.net"><Screen Shot 2014-11-17 at 5.48.49 PM.png></span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Daniel</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">On 11/17/14 5:03 PM, Chris Corrigan via OSList wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote cite="mid:31F2EA6A-510B-48E9-B97B-067B2AEA3C3E@gmail.com" type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">I have opened space many many times without ever mentioning the four principles, the law or any other assorted wisdom associated with WHY the process works.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My basic practice is to explain HOW we will organize ourselves, pointing out the tools we have to do so: paper, markers, bulletin board.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I talk about passion and responsibility “Please only post a topic you will personally show up for…” and I mention the freedom of choosing and moving. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">That is all that people need to get into Open Space. I’m not sure the principles or the law or anything else are necessary pre-conditions for the appearance and deployment of Open Space in a meeting. I think they help explain what is happening, and I think they help people let go of control a little. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">All of us as facilitators would do well to remember that people are not coming to a meeting to be wowed by a process that you personally love. They are coming to get work done. And so it behooves us to put a lid on our passions for the mechanics of the process and simply open space so that work can get done. Later on you can reflect on WHY it happened like that.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As for the idea that OST is mainstream, well perhaps not yet. But within the world of people who think a lot about this sort of thing it is widely known. I feel like these days people call and ask about OST having experienced it whereas in the 1990s and early 200s people were calling because it seemed like a good idea, but they had never experienced it. So not mainstream per se, but widely accepted and known in a small part of the world.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">At any rate it has been a long time since I have asked the question at the start of a meeting and seen zero hands go up. There seems to be at least one person who knows Open Space. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Whether we use the original instructions or modifications or innovations, whatever you do, do it very very well. Be very conscious, model good leadership and never stop embodying invitation. Lots of people have witnessed poorly planned Open Spaces run by facilitators who are too nervous to let go of their control of it. We all owe it to our clients and participants to meet their needs well with a process that helps them get unlocked from the stuck places they get into.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Here’s my book again for you to download. I hope it inspires your practice.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.archive.org/details/TheTaoOfHoldingSpace" class="">The Tao of Holding Space</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Chris </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 14, 2014, at 11:09 PM, John Baxter via OSList <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms', sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);">Nice reflection Harrison.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms', sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms', sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);">You've unfortunately created too many loose ends to inspire a neat reply. So here is a messy one.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms', sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms', sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);">Regards the simplest recipe for Open Space, to what degree have the Law and N Principles (and the animals) been critically tested? To be honest, these have never really resonated for me and I've always used a different variation each time searching for something that feels right (and no longer than it needs to be).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms', sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms', sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);">I think it's a long bow to describe Open Space as mainstream, or anywhere near it. It has spread to all corners of the globe perhaps, but it is still the System A alternative, islands within a System B world. I would hazard 90% of those who have been to conferences and meetings and like gatherings have not heard of it... (speaking at a conference on cocreation and placemaking recently, I requested a hands-up and had a whole TWO of hundreds confess to acquaintance)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms', sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);">and even if 90% had, I'm sure less than 1% of the gatherings they attend are consciously designed to unlock self organisation.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms', sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms', sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);">What you describe of the permutations of the practice matches what I see (though I'm too new to know differently), but I can't see how this could be because of a tipping point as the practice is mainstreamed.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms', sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms', sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);">Maybe that's just where I participate.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms', sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms', sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);">Regards the permutations and combinations... bring them on! This thread could quickly follow all sorts of rabbit holes on this one, so I might save those thoughts for another day.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms', sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms', sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);">Cheers</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class="" clear="all"><div class=""><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="font-family: arial; text-align: -webkit-auto; font-size: small;"><font class="" color="#663300" face="'trebuchet ms',
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Ten to fifteen minutes introduction, and it is off the races, or in my case, off to take a nap. The evolution of this format followed a simple dictum: “Think of one more thing NOT to do.” Over time in my practice I simply removed one more element. The first to go were so called, “warm up exercises.” But it went down from there. My surprise was that the less I did, the better it got... which seemed to be the exact opposite of many of my colleagues’ experience with the methods and approaches they had created. Their simple guide books gave way to 400 page Manuals with additions and extensions. Of course, there were times when people remarked to me that OS was so simple it couldn’t possibly work. But it did. Simply sit in a circle, create a bulletin board, acknowledge the 5 principles and the Law – and Go to Work! That’s it. That’s all.</p><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal">I confess that I do love elegant simplicity, and so there is a large part of me that would stick with the “original” for that reason alone. To this may be added the fact that this “elegant simplicity” apparently violated essentially all the principles and practices of management that I knew about. To some extent this was a source of no small amount of embarrassment, for after all when what you see, do, and think is at odds with the Received Wisdom there are obvious questions about your grasp of reality. But, the disparity between what I was witnessing and what (I was told) I should be experiencing has led to a marvelous quest into the strange new world of self organizing systems. Rich and rewarding indeed.</p><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal">Now it seems that the world is changing (or at least our perception of that world) such that the strange environment of self organization is no longer so strange. What appeared odd, counter-intuitive, impossible is now almost mainstream. Not quite but getting there. And if so, perhaps it is now time to let go of that old “elegant simplicity” in all of its appealing purity... and plunge into the marvelous world of combinations and permutations. And why not? It could be a lot of fun.</p><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal">I can see the possibilities, but I doubt seriously I would change. Senile sentimentality for sure, AND I actually have another concern which I think may be determinative. I suspect that OST (simple version) may be the best Training Program going when it comes to the introduction of folks to the High Arts of navigating a self organizing world. And best of all it is Experiential Learning from the start. Training and Doing are absolutely united. It is not talking about self organization it is being intentionally in that mode. And any added complexity/parallel program will tend to obscure the central mind bending fact – It’s happening all by itself.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal">We have talked about this “ training” function before, usually under the heading of Chris Corrigan’s notion of Training Wheels. That is definitely good start, but only a start. We can do more, and it could be a real kick.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal">So I plan to stick with the original – with the hope and intent that lots of new people will drop by to experience the incredible, productive freedom of losing control, and then come to understand that it is actually their birthright. 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