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Hi Alan,<br>
<br>
I see and have examined your excellent essay<span
style="font-family:times new roman,serif"><span
style="font-size:14pt;color:black;font-weight:normal"> </span><span
style="font-size:14pt;font-weight:normal"><a
href="http://conversare.net/?p=1590" title="Permanent Link to
Conversare – an experience of treating anyone we meet with
respect">Conversare
– an experience of treating anyone we meet with respect</a></span></span><br>
<br>
Here's what I think:<br>
<br>
The Golden Rule, is, well, golden. Your essay is about it. And your
essay discusses 1-to-1 interactions in some detail as they pertain
to the sending and receiving of respect by and between individuals.<br>
<br>
Now-- in a group- that is, a self-organizing social system-- I think
respect plays out at the level of group, in the process of
self-organizing...<br>
<br>
<BLATANTLY SUBJECTIVE OPINION><br>
Groups typically seek leadership. And so members send these "tagged"
packets of respect to others, who receive and then either accept or
reject them. The packets are tagged with consent to follow. Tagged
with "you have my permission to help lead". Tagged with
[authorization to help lead.]<br>
<br>
If I tag you, you receive but may ultimately reject my send. If you
accept my send, others notice that Daniel tags Alan. The others are
observant and independent agents, and so they each decide what's
best- and next- for them. <br>
<br>
Being tagged with authorization is very flattering to ego, and can
be the cause of many sorrows. <br>
<br>
And not just for the tag-er and the tag-ee, but for the group as a
whole.<br>
<br>
In self-organizing systems with high levels of maturity,
authorization routinely flows to where it can do the most good in
service to the groups primary task. <br>
<BLATANTLY SUBJECTIVE OPINION><br>
<br>
I often wonder what the primary task of the OSLIST group is.<br>
<br>
<br>
Daniel<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/18/14 4:11 AM, Alan Stewart
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:times new
roman,serif"><span style="font-size:14pt">Greetings to you
Dan, Harrison and All</span></span></p>
<span style="font-family:times new roman,serif">
</span>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:times new
roman,serif"><span style="font-size:14pt"> </span></span></p>
<span style="font-family:times new roman,serif">
</span>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:times new
roman,serif"><span style="font-size:14pt">Dan: I concur with
the verity
of your two ‘outlandish assertions’ and go further in
indicating - from
inspirations and observations beyond measure – that <br>
</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:times new
roman,serif"><span style="font-size:14pt"><br>
</span></span></p>
<span style="font-family:times new roman,serif">
</span>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-family:times new
roman,serif"><span style="font-size:14pt">
"Whenever we treat each other well good things happen."</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-family:times new
roman,serif"><span style="font-size:14pt"><br>
</span></span></p>
<span style="font-family:times new roman,serif">
</span>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span
style="font-family:times new roman,serif"><span
style="font-size:14pt">And suggest that this be noted in a
context as
specified by late lamented RD Laing:</span></span></p>
<span style="font-family:times new roman,serif">
</span>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span
style="font-family:times new roman,serif"><span
style="font-size:14pt">"The range of what we think and do
is limited by
what we fail to notice. And because we fail to notice that
we fail to notice
there is little we can do to change until we notice how
failing to notice
shapes our thoughts and deeds."</span></span></p>
<span style="font-family:times new roman,serif">
</span>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-family:times new
roman,serif"><span style="font-size:14pt">Our main 'failure
to notice' as a species, in my
opinion, is the <b>implications</b> of practising the
Golden Rule. <i>“Treat others
as you would want to be treated” in every situation.</i>
For now acting in the
moment (similar to ethical action) with an underpinning of
<span style="color:black">the Golden Rule sets in train
possibilities for 'positive'
outcomes, with no notion or consideration of what these
may be.</span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-family:times new
roman,serif"><span style="font-size:14pt"><span
style="color:black"><br>
</span></span></span></p>
<span style="font-family:times new roman,serif">
</span>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-family:times new
roman,serif"><span style="font-size:14pt">My friend Pille
Bunnell in Vancouver was prompted to say, in response to
my bringing this to her notice: <br>
</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-family:times new
roman,serif"><span style="font-size:14pt"><br>
</span></span></p>
<span style="font-family:times new roman,serif">
</span>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-family:times new
roman,serif"><span style="font-size:14pt;color:black">“…
when nice things happen, we can always
find good human relations behind them, and so we are once
again encouraged by
the quality of humanness, and how we love to be this
species, <i>Homo
sapiens-amans</i>. [amans is Latin for ‘loving’].”</span></span></p>
<span style="font-family:times new roman,serif">
</span>
<h1><span style="font-family:times new roman,serif"><span
style="font-size:14pt;color:black;font-weight:normal">See
also my blog post </span><span
style="font-size:14pt;font-weight:normal"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://conversare.net/?p=1590" title="Permanent
Link to Conversare – an experience of treating anyone we
meet with respect">Conversare
– an experience of treating anyone we meet with respect</a></span></span></h1>
<span style="font-family:times new roman,serif">
</span>
<h1><span style="font-family:times new roman,serif"><span
style="font-size:14pt;font-weight:normal">I
would add that implicit in the formal agreement between a
facilitator and a
sponsor about the facilitation of an OST event is that it
be a context in which
‘all voices are heard.’ </span></span></h1>
<span style="font-family:times new roman,serif">
</span>
<h1><span style="font-family:times new roman,serif"><span
style="font-size:14pt;font-weight:normal">Dan:
Does that satisfy your second assertion?</span></span></h1>
<span style="font-family:times new roman,serif">
</span>
<h1><span style="font-family:times new roman,serif"><span
style="font-size:14pt;font-weight:normal">And
Harrison, could it be that all participants
feeling secure in this knowing be the ‘trigger’ for self
organising to emerge? Bearing in mind that people can
detect bs to the nanogram degree! <smile><br>
</span></span></h1>
<span style="font-family:times new roman,serif">
</span>
<h1><i><span style="font-family:times new roman,serif"><span
style="font-size:14pt;font-weight:normal">In
our globalized world, everybody is fast becoming our
neighbour.<br>
<span style="color:black">To be treated well.</span><br>
Forever.</span></span></i></h1>
<span style="font-family:times new roman,serif">
</span>
<h1><span style="font-family:times new roman,serif"><span
style="font-size:14pt;font-weight:normal">Looking
forward</span></span></h1>
<span style="font-family:times new roman,serif">
</span>
<h1><span style="font-family:times new roman,serif"><span
style="font-size:14pt;font-weight:normal">Go
well</span></span></h1>
<span style="font-family:times new roman,serif">
</span>
<h1><span style="font-family:times new roman,serif"><span
style="font-size:14pt;font-weight:normal">Alan
</span></span></h1>
<p><span style="font-family:times new roman,serif"><br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:times new roman,serif">
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-family:times new
roman,serif"><b><span style="">Alan Stewart, PhD<br>
Social Artist<br>
Facilitator of conversations that matter and
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:times new
roman,serif"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">"If there's
dancing
count me in" </span></span></p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 18 October 2014 05:08, Harrison
Owen via OSList <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Dan
said:</span><b> </b><b><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">“...
in human systems, there is no such thing as
self-organization, <i>whatsoever</i>, unless
and until "respect" is successfully sent, and
successfully received, by and between the
members.”</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Interesting
idea... There is no question in my mind that
respect is critical to effective human
interactions. But I am not so sure about it being
causative for self organization. As a matter of
fact I rather suspect that the flow of causation
goes the other way. Or said a little differently
-- Respect is a byproduct, effect of effective,
well working self organization. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I am
not sure how one might prove this, but over the
years I have been blown away by massively hostile
groups of human beings, who have spent major
effort at being dis-respectful to each other,
showing real respect for each other in the
gathering, and that the level of respect seemed to
grow as the hours and day passed. There are
multiple examples, but the earliest one was a
gathering of some 250 Native Americans, Feds and
State and local bureaucrats. These folks had been
given the task of working out the guidelines for
the expenditure of something in excess of a
billion dollars in Highway Trust funds for the
purposes of building roads on tribal lands. They
had spent 2 years fighting and the time was
running out... the money was heading back to the
US Treasury. As a last ditch effort they tried a
little Open Space. When they entered the room it
was crystal clear that mutual respect was not a
common currency. By word, deed, and body language
they demonstrated how little they thought of their
fellows. 48 hours later, they had their
guidelines, but most remarkable to me was the
level of mutual respect demonstrated in all sorts
of ways, and verbalized by one Navaho Chief. In
the closing circle he said something like, “I have
known most of you for some time. And it has not
been pleasant. But I have to tell you that I have
rarely felt so listened to and respected as I have
felt here. Thank you.”</span></p>
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style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Needless
to say the word respect, or admonitions for
respectful conversation had never been uttered by
anybody, and certainly not me. It just happened,
apparently all by itself. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">Greeting
All,<br>
<br>
Here I respectfully offer two (2) completely
outlandish assertions, for your kind
consideration:<b><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
1. I hereby posit and proffer that, in human
systems, there is no such thing as
self-organization, <i>whatsoever</i>, unless
and until "respect" is successfully sent, and
successfully received, by and between the
members.</b><br>
<br>
In other words, in human systems,
self-organization is all about respect.
Specifically, the <i>sending</i> and <i>receiving</i>
of it. <br>
<br>
In real time, <i>all</i> the time. Moment by
moment. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<b>2. I further posit and proffer that, for
human systems, the concepts of [respect] and
[informal authorization] are very closely
related, and are often identical.</b><br>
<br>
Ideally, <i>formally</i> authorized leaders
also have <i>informal</i> authorization; that
is, genuine respect. Respect is a medium of
exchange, and a store of value. Respect is
something that can be extended to another, and
also something that can drawn back by the sender
at any time, after it is extended. <br>
<br>
Likewise, respect can be withheld entirely. And
it often is.<br>
<br>
<br>
<i>"I have used the word 'leadership' instead of
'leader' to emphasize a basic point. In the
world of Spirit, leadership is the capacity to
focus Spirit, and is not automatically linked
to a title or position. Thus, anyone who
exercises that capacity is, by definition, a
leader. Hopefully, titular leaders will also
possess the capacity of leadership, but that
is not necessarily the case."</i><br>
<br>
<b>-Harrison Owen, SPIRIT, page 102, footnote
54.</b> <br>
Link: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.openspaceworld.com/spirit.pdf"
target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.com/spirit.pdf</a><br>
<br>
<br>
au·thor·i·za·tion<br>
ˌôTHərəˈzāSH(ə)n/<br>
noun: authorization<br>
<br>
1.<br>
<b>the right to do work.</b><br>
<i> "the group authorized her to proceed with
making the plans"</i><br>
<i> </i><br>
<br>
<br>
re·spect<br>
rəˈspekt/<br>
noun<br>
noun: respect<br>
<br>
1.<br>
<b>a feeling of deep admiration for someone
or something elicited by their abilities,
qualiti<i>es, or achievements.</i></b><br>
<i> "the director had a lot of respect for
Douglas as an actor"</i><br>
<i> synonyms: <b>esteem</b>, regard, <b>high
opinion</b>, admiration, reverence, <b>deference</b>,
<b>honor</b></i><br>
<i> "the respect due to a great artist"</i><br>
<i> antonyms: contempt</i><br>
<i> <b>the state of being admired or
respected.</b></i><br>
<i> "his first chance in over fifteen
years to regain respect in the business"</i><br>
<i> <b>due regard for the feelings,
wishes, rights, or traditions of others.</b></i><br>
<i> plural noun: respects</i><br>
<i> "respect for human rights"</i><br>
<i> synonyms: <b>due regard</b>,
politeness, courtesy, civility, <b>deference</b></i><br>
<i> "he spoke to her with respect"</i><br>
<i> antonyms: disrespect</i><br>
<i> a person's polite greetings.</i><br>
<i> plural noun: respects</i><br>
<i> "give my respects to your parents"</i><br>
<i> 2.</i><br>
<i> a particular aspect, point, or detail.</i><br>
<i> "the government's record in this respect
is a mixed one"</i><br>
<i> synonyms: aspect, regard, facet, feature,
way, sense, particular, point, detail</i><br>
<i> "the report was accurate in every
respect"</i><br>
<br>
<i>verb</i><br>
<i>verb: respect; 3rd person present: respects;
past tense: respected; past participle:
respected; gerund or present participle:
respecting</i><br>
<br>
<i> 1.</i><i><br>
<i> <b>admire (someone or something)
deeply, as a result of their abilities,
qualities, or achievements.</b></i></i><br>
<i> "she was respected by everyone she worked
with"</i><br>
<i> <b>synonyms: esteem, admire, think
highly of, have a high opinion of, hold in
high regard, hold in (high) esteem, look up
to, revere, reverence, honor</b></i><br>
<i> "she is highly respected in the book
industry"</i><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
For example, I respect Harrison. And so:
Harrison, if you are willing to lead, I am
willing to follow. <br>
<br>
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