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Hi Michael,<br>
<br>
I hear you, saying: <br>
<br>
"I've seen very loose corporate add-on events" <br>
<br>
..and then I also hear you saying:<br>
<br>
I've seen...very productive and long-lived action (spanning years
and continents) come from open public conferences. <br>
<br>
I do not hear you saying this:<br>
<br>
"I've seen very loose corporate add-on events generate very
productive and long-lived action spanning years" <br>
<br>
I wonder if you are saying this.<br>
<br>
Daniel<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/17/14 10:15 AM, Michael Herman
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAD8j=QHhLZ6YSS_fjq_8SWO=SAKqWc=O4Dd+WOd3z5rps8wKMw@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Not sure the differences you articulate have anything
to do with public and private, Daniel. It's about the different
structures. I've seen very loose corporate add-on events and very
productive and long-lived action (spanning years and continents)
come from open public conferences. So id say structure matters
much more than setting.
<div><br>
<br>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Greetings Christine, <br>
<br>
Thanks for your detailed reply. I must admit, I have no
experience whatsoever with doing quasi-public OST events
arranged for guilds, industry-associations and the like. I'm
clueless! <br>
<br>
As such, my opinion does not have much (if any) validity
about those use cases. I do have some theories however, and
I hope I can ask some questions about OST for guilds &
industry associations...<br>
<br>
I see it like this:<br>
<br>
(1) At one extreme end of the spectrum, there is the very
private, business-org-specific event. A kind of big-family
system.<br>
<br>
(2) At the other extreme, there is the totally public
conference that anyone can attend, if they pay the money...
<br>
<ol>
<ul>
<li>It is an event that has some Open Space of varying
quality, in 1/2 day, full day or multiple day formats.
<br>
</li>
<li>It may of may not have a Sponsor, it may of may not
have Proceedings. It may or may not have posters on
the wall. If it has Proceedings at all, they are often
late.</li>
<li>"Agile" conferences are commonly at found at this
end of the range.</li>
</ul>
</ol>
<br>
My theory is that quasi-public OST events for and with
guilds, industry associations and the like lie somewhere in
the middle of these two extremes. And I can certainly
imagine (theorize) how these events take on the look, feel,
tone, temp and flavor of the very private,
business-org-specific event. They might even effectively BE
private events. It's not like anyone with the fee (if any)
can just waltz into the meeting right? <br>
<br>
<br>
And so, for now, I want to set these quasi-public OST events
aside, and/or characterize them as private events. Is that
OK? <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
And so, referring to (1) and (2) above, I continue to see
very huge differences between these two ways to use Open
Space. <br>
<br>
Like, the difference between Night and Day. <br>
<br>
<br>
Here's one of those very striking differences: in
public-conference events where OST is an add-on in 1/2 or
full day formats, getting good Proceedings is difficult. Or
impossible. The Proceedings are typically late and poorly
formatted, or more commonly: <i>non-existent.</i> <br>
<br>
Yet inside private events, you can't pull the people off the
task of Proceedings creation. The task attracts them like a
magnet. They typically wave off any offers of help and take
an absolutely huge interest in the Proceedings generation.
They rivet on it. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
And this is just one example. There are many more BIG
differences. And so I continue to assert that for
public-conference events where OST is a full day or 1/2 day
add-on, a Barcamp or Unconference can and does get
equivalent, similar, as-good results. <br>
<br>
Stated another way, Barcamp and/or Unconference can never do
what Open Space does for organizations. And that's because
Open Space is optimized for enabling "development and
transformation in organizations. "<br>
<br>
And those other two aren't. <br>
<br>
<br>
Daniel<br>
<br>
PS I realize some public, paid, Agile conferences that
feature all-day Open Space do a very good job with
Proceedings. Yet this is clearly the exception, and not the
rule where Agile conferences are concerned. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div>On 10/15/14 11:43 AM, Christine Whitney Sanchez wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"> Daniel and all,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In my experience, public events have the same buzz
and meaningful results as an in-organization OST. I’ve
facilitated a number of them that were sponsored by a
group of organizations in the community. For instance, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://vibrantphx.com/next-actions/top-ideas/"
target="_blank">Vibrant Phoenix</a>, was a very
productive economic development OST, sponsored by two
mayors of large municipalities and several local
businesses. One of the business sponsors agreed to be
the contact for folks who wanted to take their
“actionable ideas” to the next level. However, there
was no budget and no infrastructure to really keep folks
connected the the ideas they cared the most about. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This is where the public open spaces generally fall
short. Because the ongoing action is not the core
mission of any of these organizations, it is hoped that
the participants will self-organize going forward. With
very few exceptions, this does not happen. I believe
that sponsorship for the work after the OST is what is
called for.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ssireview.org/blog/entry/channeling_change_making_collective_impact_work"
target="_blank">Collective Impact</a> model speaks to
this. It’s nothing new, really, but does represent a
simple way to talk about the necessary conditions for
sustaining collective action. I now include my version
of this model when I talk with potential sponsors to
shine the light beyond the meeting so that we can
discuss their intentions for providing backbone support
for self-organized action going forward.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I especially love public Open Space events and look
forward to working with sponsors who see the meeting as
merely the first small step in collaborative action.
There is so much potential!</div>
<div> </div>
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<div>On Oct 15, 2014, at 6:33 AM, Daniel Mezick via
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Greetings To
All,<br>
<br>
I notice that there are many big differences
between public-conference-type OST events, and OST
events arranged for organizations. <br>
<br>
Do you also notice this? Maybe I am imagining
this....just making stuff up...<br>
<br>
...maybe not. In many key dimensions, I experience
these differences as striking. Even disturbing.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
And so I have been poking around inside the GUIDE
(3rd edition) and I notice that, in some spots,
the implication is that the discussion is about a
public event. Up to page 18 for example, this
implication is clear:<br>
<br>
<br>
<THE GUIDE PAGE 18><br>
<br>
Working With The Client if you ARE NOT the Sponsor<br>
<br>
"To this point I have assumed that you (the
reader) will be the sponsor and facilitator of the
Open Space, and therefore <b><i>it is your
decision as to whether or not to proceed</i></b>...(<i>emphasis
added.</i>)<br>
<br>
</THE GUIDE PAGE 18><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
My current belief is that having the same person
in the Sponsor role **and** the Facilitator role
is probably a very bad idea for an OST event <i>inside
an organization</i>. For the typical
public-conference event on the other hand, this
seems to work just fine. Kinda like a Barcamp or
Unconference....<br>
<br>
<br>
Another current belief I hold is that OST is the
essential tool for creating "Development and
Transformation in Organizations". It is best
suited for use in organizations. <br>
<br>
It is interesting to note how the Barcamp and/or
"Unconference" formats seem to get the same or
as-good results as Open Space, in the public
conference setting. <br>
<br>
Not so inside organizations! In fact, as of now, I
don't think Barcamp or Unconference has any chance
whatsoever at being effective in bringing about
Development and Transformation in Organizations
the way Open Space can. Something about the
Sponsor?<br>
<br>
Daniel<br>
<br>
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