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On 10/05/2014 04:08 PM, anne.bennett8ac wrote:<br>
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<div>Precisely my point Doug</div>
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From: doug via OSList <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org"><oslist@lists.openspacetech.org></a> <br>
Date: 2014/10/05 19:24 (GMT+00:00) <br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a> <br>
Subject: Re: [OSList] Opening space with people with psychiatric
disorders <br>
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Aren't those who work in the institutions we call organizations <br>
institutionalized?<br>
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:- Doug. Germann<br>
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On 10/05/2014 08:47 AM, Anne Bennett via OSList wrote:<br>
> Hi Christine<br>
><br>
> I have worked in nominally 'mental health' areas for many
years.<br>
> Designing a range of events for various purposes, I found a
few things<br>
> of interest -<br>
><br>
> 1. Practical things first - resist the 'over helping',
restrain the<br>
> enthusiasms of the 'helpful' and minimise the special
attention to those<br>
> perceived to have special challenges - often they don't -
make general<br>
> arrangements for supportive/relaxed/unimposing spaces
[chilled zones,<br>
> obvious exits]. The more 'we' think 'they' need special help,
the more<br>
> this may become true, and equally denies the truth that 'who
doesnt need<br>
> this help?' Although once there were 'criminally insane'
prisoners in an<br>
> event, hand-cuffed to their forensic health care workers,
their inputs<br>
> and engagements were as sane and probably the most relevant
of any. The<br>
> notion of individuals making their own decisions to
join/leave groups<br>
> and manage their own time, communication and activity is a
challenge for<br>
> the institutionalised - how many organisations are free of
such<br>
> behavioural effects? Your art of facilitation (calm
liberation of the<br>
> space, gentle encouragement, presence) is the main thing to
bring on the<br>
> day.<br>
><br>
> 2. Subtler observations I would share:<br>
> - the 'norms' (people who are 'us' not 'them') bring a
looooot of<br>
> baggage to the thing - the psychodynamicals among us can have
a field<br>
> day with the introjections etc etc;<br>
> - specifically the psychiatrically credentialled
professionals have the<br>
> most difficulty of any specific group I have ever met
(including the<br>
> heads of state, monks, prisoners, scientists, artists, asylum
seekers<br>
> and homeless) to get involved at the EQ level with anyone
else in the<br>
> room - a day or so in and a few are communicating almost like
humans;<br>
> - mental health labels can be applied to most of us some of
the time -<br>
> serious (in terms of lifestyle-impacting), chronic or acute
psychiatric<br>
> disorders can mean some people have altered realities some or
most of<br>
> the time, and/or be chemically suppressed. This brings
versions of<br>
> contribution that add to the diverse mix that we can
experience in any<br>
> group. The principles of OST are among the most sense-making
for such<br>
> diversity and one is reminded anew of how universally helpful
it is to<br>
> stay mindful of these qualities of human society.<br>
><br>
> So I guess the intentions of your planners are nice, the time
element is<br>
> a red herring, and the perceptions of who is 'included' and
how this is<br>
> achieved may require something quite other than what might be
going on<br>
> or proposed<br>
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> In friendship<br>
> Anne<br>
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>
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> *From:* christine koehler via OSList
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> *Sent:* Sunday, 5 October 2014, 7:18<br>
> *Subject:* [OSList] Opening space with people with
psychiatric disorders<br>
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> Hi everyone,<br>
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> I would like to know if you have experienced an open
space (circa<br>
> 150 people) in which people with psychiatric disorders
are among the<br>
> participants.<br>
> How did it go ? How did you prepare it ?<br>
><br>
> I am asking because during pre-work of an open space, the
topic came<br>
> out, as one of the organizer is working with them in
order to help<br>
> them be included in the society as any other citizen.<br>
><br>
> Of course I understand the idea and I second it, but I
wonder how to<br>
> prepare it (and if we have enough time for that...)<br>
><br>
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> Christine<br>
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