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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Michael thank you for pulling out that
first OSList email. Wow, how we've grown! Look at these stats:<br>
<br>
1996<br>
- 57 people on OSList<br>
<br>
2014<br>
- 787 people on OSList<br>
- 2017 people on Facebook Open Space Technology group - <a
href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/7189220743">https://www.facebook.com/groups/7189220743</a><br>
- 1642 people on LinkedIn Open Space Technology group - <a
href="https://www.linkedin.com/groups?home=&gid=81286">https://www.linkedin.com/groups?home=&gid=81286</a><br>
- 801 people on Open Space World Ning community - <a
href="http://openspaceworld.ning.com/">http://openspaceworld.ning.com/</a><br>
- 49 people in the "Open Space" Google Plus Circle - <a
href="https://plus.google.com/stream/circles/p70fe5c7a8a52f291">https://plus.google.com/stream/circles/p70fe5c7a8a52f291</a><br>
<br>
(Please, if anyone knows of any other public Open Space forums,
please let me know!)<br>
<br>
Although in many ways the alternate technologies used outside the
OSList are superior to the OSList, and mostly the numbers
signifantly more, the depth of conversations on the OSList still
remain superior.<br>
<br>
How could appropriate technology deepen the engagement? John, I'm
very grateful that you're thinking and working on this. The
self-organizing system of the universe I'm sure will find a way,
no matter what we do. Thank you for starting a thread to think
about this.<br>
<br>
Individual minds and hearts definitely do the best harvesting, but
I see no reason that technology can't help support the process
with visualizations, voting, tagging, and other possible wisdom of
the crowd processes. It would also be wonderful if we could do
more small group work on the OSList, like in an Open Space, where
only selections of smaller conversations can get pushed out to the
rest of us.<br>
<br>
A vision: in the (near) future, the OSList evolves into a
technology that supports this without losing the simplicity of
simple email engagement (for those who want it), and at the same
time increasing our current depth, passion, relationships,
engagement, and yes, love. Certainly not diminishing it, which
unfortunately is what I see (at least right now) on facebook etc.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Harold<br>
<br>
On 8/11/14 4:55 AM, Michael M Pannwitz wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:53E8A13B.3020404@gmail.com" type="cite">Dear
John,
<br>
<br>
you asked:
<br>
<br>
"...are OS List discussions available at a public URL somewhere?"
<br>
<br>
At the bottom of each email I get from OSLIST it says:
<br>
<br>
OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the
archives of OSLIST Go to:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
and, even more directly to the archives itself
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/">http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/</a>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Seems to be public enough which at one time in the past led to
deep discussion on ownership of these gems!
<br>
<br>
Here is the very first message back from December 13, 1996 that
Murli sent to the original list of 57 os-nicks
<br>
<br>
Friends, OpenSpacers, and worldfolk,
<br>
prompted by Peggy’s posting I’ve set up a discussion list for all
who have email. Any message posted to this list will automatically
be distributed to anyone subscribed to this list. This way we can
have an unstructured discussion going in open cyberspace...
<br>
Peace
<br>
murli
<br>
<br>
Have a great day
<br>
Greetings from Berlin
<br>
mmp
<br>
<br>
PS: In my experience harvesting, documenting, evaluating, writing
books about,...etc.... are close to nothing compared with how I
impacted myself with open space events. So here is my suggestion:
Go out and convene an os-event, it will make your day!
<br>
<br>
On 11.08.2014 09:10, John Baxter wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Yes I think wordclouds are probably about
the best you can get without
<br>
the input of human minds and fingers... I'd be very eager to
know of
<br>
anything automated that could do a better job!
<br>
<br>
One option to ease the burden is a shared online editable
document
<br>
(Google Docs or hackpad) and find a few contributors to at least
share
<br>
the effort, with the added benefit of multiple perspectives (and
methods
<br>
of recording).
<br>
<br>
This could be built in as part of the structure of conversation,
much as
<br>
we might have a closing circle at an Open Space gathering...
with
<br>
everybody invited to draw out the lessons or points that they
thing most
<br>
worth sharing.
<br>
<br>
Ideally this practice could form part of the culture of
conversation—
<br>
people will contribute more readily if they know it is coming,
and have
<br>
personal experience of seeing the value of it.
<br>
This 'summing up' is one element of face-to-face that seems
almost
<br>
completely absent online...
<br>
<br>
Another thing to keep in mind is referring back to source... are
OS List
<br>
discussions available at a public URL somewhere? Linking back
increases
<br>
the versatility of a harvest, and decreases the pressure to
capture it
<br>
all, giving people flexibility to paraphrase (synthesise).
<br>
<br>
A few cents there for the circle...
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
*/John Baxter/*
<br>
jsbaxter.com.au <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.jsbaxter.com.au"><http://www.jsbaxter.com.au></a>
<br>
0405 447 829
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<br>
<br>
/note my reclamation policy means I process my inbox once daily,
if that./
<br>
/happy to hear about anything urgent via phone or Twitter/
<br>
/
<br>
/
<br>
/"Reclaiming quality of life one hack at a time"/
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 8:15 AM, Harrison Owen
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net">hhowen@verizon.net</a>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net"><mailto:hhowen@verizon.net></a>> wrote:
<br>
<br>
Chris -- Definitely still there! And very current I think.
So folks
<br>
have a read... Harvests of days gone by and still
useful...____
<br>
<br>
__ __
<br>
<br>
ho____
<br>
<br>
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<br>
<br>
Winter Address____
<br>
<br>
7808 River Falls Drive____
<br>
<br>
Potomac, MD 20854____
<br>
<br>
301-365-2093 <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="tel:301-365-2093"><tel:301-365-2093></a>____
<br>
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<br>
<br>
Summer Address____
<br>
<br>
189 Beaucaire Ave.____
<br>
<br>
Camden, ME 04843____
<br>
<br>
207-763-3261 <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="tel:207-763-3261"><tel:207-763-3261></a>____
<br>
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<br>
<br>
Websites____
<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.openspaceworld.com">www.openspaceworld.com</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://%20www.openspaceworld.com"><http://%20www.openspaceworld.com></a>____
<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.ho-image.com">www.ho-image.com</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.ho-image.com"><http://www.ho-image.com></a>____
<br>
<br>
OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view
the
<br>
archives of OSLIST Go
<br>
to:<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org____">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org____</a><br>
<br>
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<br>
<br>
*From:*OSList [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org"><mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org></a>] *On
Behalf Of
<br>
*Chris Corrigan
<br>
*Sent:* Friday, August 08, 2014 4:01 PM
<br>
<br>
<br>
*To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
<br>
*Subject:* Re: [OSList] What would a harvest from a long
OSList
<br>
discussion look like?____
<br>
<br>
__ __
<br>
<br>
You can still find that incredible document hosted at
Micheal’s
<br>
site:____
<br>
<br>
__ __
<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.michaelherman.com/publications/ost_nonguide.pdf____">http://www.michaelherman.com/publications/ost_nonguide.pdf____</a>
<br>
<br>
__ __
<br>
<br>
Chris____
<br>
<br>
__ __
<br>
<br>
On Aug 8, 2014, at 12:05 PM, Harrison Owen
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net">hhowen@verizon.net</a>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net"><mailto:hhowen@verizon.net></a>> wrote:____
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
____
<br>
<br>
Lucas – Don’t know where this fits, but several years ago
Michael
<br>
Herman and Chris Corrigan put together what they called a
Non-User’s
<br>
Guide which is essentially an annotated collection of a
particularly
<br>
rich set of discussions here on OSLIST. I haven’t checked,
but I
<br>
think it is still available onwww.openspaceworld.org
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/"><http://www.openspaceworld.org/></a>May turn out that
human
<br>
minds/fingers are still an essential part of the process no
matter
<br>
the technology. My thought would be Graduate Students. Good
labor at
<br>
a reasonable price with a possible dissertation or two.____
<br>
<br>
____
<br>
<br>
Harrison____
<br>
<br>
____
<br>
<br>
Winter Address____
<br>
<br>
7808 River Falls Drive____
<br>
<br>
Potomac, MD 20854____
<br>
<br>
301-365-2093 <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="tel:301-365-2093"><tel:301-365-2093></a>____
<br>
<br>
____
<br>
<br>
Summer Address____
<br>
<br>
189 Beaucaire Ave.____
<br>
<br>
Camden, ME 04843____
<br>
<br>
207-763-3261 <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="tel:207-763-3261"><tel:207-763-3261></a>____
<br>
<br>
____
<br>
<br>
Websites____
<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.openspaceworld.com____">www.openspaceworld.com____</a>
<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.ho-image.com____">www.ho-image.com____</a>
<br>
<br>
OSLISTTo subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view
the
<br>
archives of OSLIST Go
<br>
to:<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org____">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org____</a><br>
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____
<br>
<br>
*From:*OSList
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>]*On
<br>
Behalf Of*Lucas Cioffi
<br>
*Sent:*Friday, August 08, 2014 2:52 PM
<br>
*To:*World wide Open Space Technology email list
<br>
*Subject:*Re: [OSList] What would a harvest from a long
OSList
<br>
discussion look like?____
<br>
<br>
____
<br>
<br>
Hi All,____
<br>
<br>
____
<br>
<br>
Someone reached out and suggested I try a word cloud of the
<br>
conversation. I took a few minutes to copy the 50 emails
from the
<br>
conversation entitled "Management and Organization" which
has been
<br>
running for the past month. I pasted it below, and if the
word cloud
<br>
doesn't come through as an attachment, you can also see it
online
<br>
here.____
<br>
<br>
____
<br>
<br>
Word clouds are helpful, but I'm still left wanting more. I
can't
<br>
put my finger on it.____
<br>
<br>
____
<br>
<br>
I'm thinking that there must be some very creative
harvesting
<br>
methods used by facilitators in this group, using graphic
<br>
facilitation and other methods.* Are your approaches to
in-person
<br>
harvesting applicable to harvesting one of our 50-email
<br>
discussions?*____
<br>
<br>
____
<br>
<br>
I'm listening to see if I can create a software for
harvesting &
<br>
summarizing email threads to unlock some of the knowledge
buried in
<br>
the OSList archives and breath new life into some of our
dormant yet
<br>
valuable discussion threads from the past.____
<br>
<br>
____
<br>
<br>
Lucas Cioffi
<br>
Co-Founder, Bark!Best
<br>
Charlottesville, VA
<br>
917-528-1831 <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="tel:917-528-1831"><tel:917-528-1831></a>____
<br>
<br>
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<br>
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<br>
<br>
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<br>
<br>
<image002.jpg>____
<br>
<br>
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<br>
<br>
On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Lucas Cioffi
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:lucas@barkbest.com">lucas@barkbest.com</a>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lucas@barkbest.com"><mailto:lucas@barkbest.com></a>> wrote:____
<br>
<br>
Hi All,____
<br>
<br>
____
<br>
<br>
So this week many of us are watching a lively discussion
thread grow
<br>
and grow and grow. It's awesome that it has received nearly
50
<br>
email replies already from people all over the world,
however 95% of
<br>
the people on the list aren't active in it yet, and of
course that's
<br>
OK.____
<br>
<br>
____
<br>
<br>
For me and probably others, digging into such a large
conversation
<br>
becomes a bit intimidating when the conversation is so
large. ____
<br>
<br>
*Question: So, what would a harvest from such a long OSList
email
<br>
discussion look like if it was to be useful to you
personally?*____
<br>
<br>
____
<br>
<br>
I'm asking the question above for two reasons:____
<br>
<br>
* For me: Aside from being a longtime OS enthusiast, I'm
building
<br>
a tool for large online conversations and looking for
ideas
<br>
about how to create meaningful harvests from them.____
<br>
* For all of us: Unrelated to my tool, maybe if there was
an easy
<br>
way to harvest/summarize these long and lively
conversations on
<br>
OSList, then it could give access to the conversation to
those
<br>
who do not have the time or courage to dive in
directly.____
<br>
* New voices: The younger generations spend less time on
email, so
<br>
they largely miss out on the great knowledge that's
shared on a
<br>
list like this. So harvests might be one way to bring
new
<br>
voices to our conversations on OSList.____
<br>
<br>
To get the most value out of a conversation, someone
certainly has
<br>
to ride along and read most of it. But the problem is that
when
<br>
someone chooses to read one conversation in-depth, they are
choosing
<br>
to not read another great conversation in-depth. So I'm
hoping that
<br>
a harvest can help people when they decide which
conversations they
<br>
want to invest their time in.____
<br>
<br>
____
<br>
<br>
I look forward to hearing any suggestions!____
<br>
<br>
--____
<br>
<br>
Lucas Cioffi____
<br>
<br>
Co-Founder, Bark!Best____
<br>
<br>
Charlottesville, VA____
<br>
<br>
917-528-1831 <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="tel:917-528-1831"><tel:917-528-1831></a>____
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