<div dir="ltr"><div><div>In a point made by Daniel, as I am able to read it, the real difference of a engagement where he would walk away is in the way the leadership approaches the change. The difference of a mandate and an invitation. So in the instalment of a system say agile or some type of holarchy (with small 'h'), there is more the one approach.<br>
<br></div>As I understand the point made by Greg Bloom, then we have an opportunity to experiment with large organizations and see how we bring open space better to the operational dimension. There may be some new way to approach principles based of experience that could facilitate this dimension, it will be interesting to see how it plays out.<br>
<br>I am learning much from this interesting exchange, perhaps the Holocrasy (with large 'H') people are working way to hard with to many reports to write up for there books of proceedings and far to lengthy structured conversation on basic decision-making with to many of the people (but that should partly be taken care of with the rules in 2.3 see the <a href="http://holacracy.org/constitution">http://holacracy.org/constitution</a>). But we still have the problem of mandated decision making meetings for the "sponsor group".<br>
<br>On a coincidence note, then I also found some relationship on the medicine wheel and the four basic roles of the holons (circles). Somehow the deer
 is like the Lead Link, the eagle is like the Rep Link, the mouse is 
like the Facilitator, the bear is like the Secretary. <br><br></div><div>with best regards<br></div><div>/Kári<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 7 March 2014 15:35, Daniel Mezick <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dan@newtechusa.net" target="_blank">dan@newtechusa.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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    Let's see. Quick inventory:<br>
    <br>
    <ul>
      <li><i>Questions</i> tend to "open space". Invitations are
        questions & end with a question mark.</li>
      <li><i>Statements</i> tend to "close space". Mandates are
        statements & end with a period.</li>
      <li><i>Everything</i> real and genuine and authentic runs on human
        engagement (aka "passion+responsibility"). </li>
      <li><i>Invitations</i> tend to increase levels of engagement. </li>
      <li><i>Mandates</i> tend to increase levels of DIS engagement.</li>
      <li><i>Open Space</i> results in higher levels of engagement.</li>
      <li><i>Intentions</i> equal Results.</li>
    </ul>
    <br>
    Therefore:<br>
    <br>
    <ul>
      <li>The intention of doing a genuine Open Space is to increase
        engagement.</li>
      <li>The intent of a genuine mandate is increase DIS engagement</li>
    </ul>
    <br>
    Seems simple enough.<br>
    <br>
    And this is why I routinely walk away from "opportunities" to help
    bring Agile to organizations, when formally authorized leadership
    opts-out of opening space. <br>
    <br>
    Daniel<div><div class="h5"><br>
    <br>
    <div>On 3/6/14 1:04 PM, Harrison Owen wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Christine
            said – “Are we "working too hard" when we try to work
            differently ?Do you believe that Zappos would have end up
            anyway with same performance without the hard work of
            implementing Holacracy ? Anyway, we will never know...”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
            have no problem working differently, in fact at the moment I
            don’t think we are working differently enough. As I see it,
            the names change, the processes change, but the fundamental
            presuppositions remain unchanged. Whether the issue is
            implementing Holarchy or a Dictatorship, the premise is that
            organization is something we do and we control. Doubtless
            Holarchy is more humane than a Dictatorship, but I think
            they both come from the same place, the same fundamental
            premise – that organization (my organization, your
            organization) is our creature. We design it, we create it,
            we control it.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Real
            difference comes with a change in premises, I think.
            Speaking just for myself, I find this to be a self
            organizing world, beginning, middle, and end. Even those
            organizations we think we organized end of being self
            organizing the moment we push the start button. So really
            working differently, and I think much smarter, efficiently,
            effectively, with greater joy and less effort, would start
            from that basic point: All the world is self organizing. We
            don’t create it, we don’t control it, but we can live in it
            productively. We can learn to enhance our ability for such
            living, and we can assist others to do the same. And how
            might that work?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The
            first step is to watch and appreciate what is happening all
            by itself before we even think about doing anything. And
            Open Space can be our guide. As we see all the time in Open
            Space, organization starts when passion and responsibility
            intersect around an issue or opportunity. If it is exciting,
            people will come, and the next thing you know you have a
            group of “two or more gathered together to do something” –
            which would be my definition of organization. The process
            and structure is totally emergent with no help needed.
            Happens all by itself. And as we have learned, intervention
            is not only not necessary, it actually mucks up the emergent
            process. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">It
            may happen that this nascent organization will die (When
            it’s over it’s over) or it may continue and grow (Whoever
            comes is the right people. Whatever happens is the only
            thing that could have.) Given a little time it could become
            the next Intel, Microsoft, Facebook...!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Obviously
            the distance between a small nexus of passion and
            responsibility and a giant corporation is considerable – but
            even the giants started as “two or more gathered together”
            and I don’t think the rules change along the way. It is all
            fractal, and just as an OS for 10 works just like one for
            2000 so also in the world at large (larger), I think. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">And
            what can we do along the journey? First, appreciate what’s
            happening. Second, keep the space open. Third, offer our
            passion and responsibility wherever we care to – which can
            provide new energy for growth, new inspiration, new ideas.
            That is just for “openers” and for more I refer you to Part
            II of “Wave Rider,” “The Wave Rider’s Guide to the Future.”
            I don’t pretend that is the whole story, but it could be a
            useful place to start – and you can write the rest. </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1f497d">J</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">And
            then to your comment: “My feeling is also that people tend
            to prefer when they understand how things work (otherwise
            they get anxious), and in this regard self-organization may
            make things  uneasy. Who can tell how it works ?” Christine,
            you are 100% CORRECT! Which creates a major problem for all
            7 &frac12; billion of us on Planet Earth which resides in a tiny
            corner of a second rate solar system, lost in a relatively
            minor galaxy...one of billions and billions. It also seems
            that something like 96% of everything is unknown and
            unknowable (Dark Energy and Dark matter) – and the remaining
            4% (what we can theoretically see) is more than a little
            foggy when it comes to our capacity for understanding. The
            fact that all of it, so far as we can understand, </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1f497d">J</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">
            is self organizing is icing on the cake called “Uneasy”.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">But
            we may have found a way out...just fabricate a version of
            reality we can understand and control. That should do it. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Harrison<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Harrison
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                Behalf Of </b>christine koehler<br>
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              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] Open Space and Holacracy<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Harrison, <u></u><u></u></p>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Maybe I am beginning to get it. Maybe
              not. <u></u><u></u></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">You say self-organization is already
              there, no matter what we do or dont do. ok. <u></u><u></u></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Maybe the question is not about
              self-organisation but about high performance : Hsieh,
              Gore, Semler's visions only say something about how they
              see high performance flow from/in/thru the system. Might
              be an attempt to control it,  by naming it Holacracy, or
              even self organization ? However, from what they say,
              their way of controling it might end up with higher levels
              of performance than "command and control"systems. Using
              Open Space creates conditions for high performance. But
              then, should we just stop doing deciding and trying things
              because no matter what we do the system will self-organize
              ?<u></u><u></u></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Are we
              "working too hard" when we try to work differently ?Do you
              believe that Zappos would have end up anyway with same
              performance withoug the hard work of implementing
              Holacracy ? Anyway, we will never know...<u></u><u></u></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">My feeling
              is also that people tend to prefer when they understand
              how things work (otherwise they get anxious), and in this
              regard self-organization may make things  uneasy. Who can
              tell how it works ? If you take decision making for
              instance, and if I take Wosonos as an example, sometimes
              the decision making process for the location on the next
              one is so obvious to everybody who go through it that
              everything seems easy and clear. But sometimes , and for
              reasons that are quite unclear to me, it seems that the
              some people are not happy and the decision maling process
              is questioned. Of course this is true with any decision
              making process, maybe it's just that some processes are
              easier to describe. Our brain needs to be able to simplify
              complex processes in order to be comfortable with it. <u></u><u></u></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Right now I am experiencing something
              interesting : for a management seminar, a few groups
              emerged from what I could call a very simplistic "law of 2
              feet" decision making process. ie  there was offered
              opportunity for 5 groups to emerge, and so it went. (why 5
              ? well, that was completely arbitrary. probably because
              timing was short and that there were only very short time
              to get feedbacks fro the groupn as feedback was required)
              .  After the seminar where people are asked to work
              further on those topics. Management decided not to let
              leaders of those groups use the law of 2 feets but members
              could. (I agree this is a strange rule). What is happening
              is that they are questioning the decision making process :
              how do we know those topics are the most important ones ?
              is this group the best to work on such particular topic ?
              How can I feel legitimate in being the leader of this
              group as it is not my dayjob ? etc.. Would you say that
              they are working too hard ? That the system will take care
              of itself and anyway self-organize, no matter what we do 
              ?<u></u><u></u></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Christine <u></u><u></u></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:27 PM,
              Harrison Owen <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank">hhowen@verizon.net</a>>
              wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Christine
                    ... “I find very interesting this tension between
                    personal vision (think about Gore for instance or
                    Semler and Semco) and self-organization. looks very
                    complex and human to me ;)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">but
                    still wondering how self-organization fits within
                    this kind of frame.” </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">It
                    is really easy. Self Organization is already there,
                    but the poor folks at Zappo think they did it!
                    Surprise – what they really did was complicate
                    something that could have happened very easily by
                    itself. Ah! But we humans have to feel we are in
                    control. Even when we say we aren’t and don’t care
                    to be. The Trojan Horse rides again. Zappo’d as it
                    were.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">ho</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Harrison
                      Owen</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">7808
                      River Falls Dr.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Potomac,
                      MD 20854</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">USA</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">189
                      Beaucaire Ave. (summer)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Camden,
                      Maine 04843</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Phone
                      <a href="tel:301-365-2093" value="+13013652093" target="_blank">301-365-2093</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">(summer) 
                      <a href="tel:207-763-3261" value="+12077633261" target="_blank">207-763-3261</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="http://www.openspaceworld.com%20" target="_blank">www.openspaceworld.com</a> </span><u></u><u></u></p>

                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="http://www.ho-image.com%20" target="_blank">www.ho-image.com</a> (Personal
                      Website)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1f497d">To
                      subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                      <a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>
                      [mailto:<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>]
                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>christine koehler<br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 04, 2014 2:35 PM</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                        <b>To:</b> World wide Open Space Technology
                        email list<br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] Open Space and
                        Holacracy<u></u><u></u></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">This
                              reminds me of a very short conversation I
                              had with a participant of the Practice of
                              Peace seminar last January. He had left
                              Zappos not so long ago. We exchanged a few
                              words about the ambiguity  of Tony Hsieh
                              mandating Zappos to become holacratic,
                              because it was his own personal vision.<u></u><u></u></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">I
                            find very interesting this tension between
                            personal vision (think about Gore for
                            instance or Semler and Semco) and
                            self-organization. <u></u><u></u></p>
                        </div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">looks
                          very complex and human to me ;)<u></u><u></u></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">but
                          stlll wondering how self-organization fits
                          within this kind of frame.<u></u><u></u></p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">Christine
                        <u></u><u></u></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <u></u><u></u></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <u></u><u></u></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">On
                          Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Harrison Owen
                          <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank">hhowen@verizon.net</a>>
                          wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Christine,
                                Zappo Holarchs “rolled out” according to
                                the following... Sounds like sort of a
                                mandate to me. ho</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="http://qz.com/161210/zappos-is-going-holacratic-no-job-titles-no-managers-no-hierarchy" target="_blank">http://qz.com/161210/zappos-is-going-holacratic-no-job-titles-no-managers-no-hierarchy</a>
                              </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Harrison
                                    Owen</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">7808
                                    River Falls Dr.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Potomac,
                                    MD 20854</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">USA</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">189
                                    Beaucaire Ave. (summer)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Camden,
                                    Maine 04843</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Phone
                                    <a href="tel:301-365-2093" value="+13013652093" target="_blank">301-365-2093</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">(summer) 
                                    <a href="tel:207-763-3261" value="+12077633261" target="_blank">207-763-3261</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="http://www.openspaceworld.com%20" target="_blank">www.openspaceworld.com</a>
                                  </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="http://www.ho-image.com%20" target="_blank">www.ho-image.com</a>
                                    (Personal Website)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1f497d">To
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                                    <a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>
                                    [mailto:<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>]
                                    <b>On Behalf Of </b>Christine
                                    Whitney Sanchez<br>
                                    <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 04, 2014
                                    12:46 PM</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                      <b>To:</b> World wide Open Space
                                      Technology email list<br>
                                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] Open
                                      Space and Holacracy<u></u><u></u></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Great
                                  post, Daniel.  Our company worked with
                                  Tony Hseigh’s Downtown Las Vegas
                                  Project last year and found the whole
                                  thing to be very self-organizing.  <u></u><u></u></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">I’m
                                    surprised that Zappos is imposing
                                    any kind of mandate - where did you
                                    discover this?<u></u><u></u></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Namasté,<br>
                                                <br>
                                                Christine <br>
                                                <br>
                                                Christine Whitney
                                                Sanchez, Partner<br>
                                                Innovation Partners
                                                International<br>
                                                Phoenix, AZ, USA  <a href="tel:%2B1.480.759.0262" target="_blank">+1.480.759.0262</a><br>
                                                <a href="http://www.innovationpartners.com" target="_blank">www.innovationpartners.com</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><img src="cid:part19.03040203.00080902@newtechusa.net" height="62" border="0" width="162"><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal">On
                                          Mar 4, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Dan
                                          Mezick <<a href="mailto:dan@newtechusa.net" target="_blank">dan@newtechusa.net</a>>
                                          wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <u></u><u></u></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal">An
                                            invitation arouses
                                            curiousity, but a mandate
                                            dries up <u></u><u></u></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal">the
                                            bones... Ancient Proverb<u></u><u></u></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal">The
                                            Mandate of Holacracy at
                                            Zappos:<u></u><u></u></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
                                        </div>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:".HelveticaNeueUI","serif""><a href="http://newtechusa.net/agile/the-mandate-of-holacracy-at-zappos/" target="_blank">http://newtechusa.net/agile/the-mandate-of-holacracy-at-zappos/</a></span><br>

                                            <br>
                                            Sent from my iPhone<u></u><u></u></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
                                            On Mar 4, 2014, at 11:36 AM,
                                            "Harrison Owen" <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank">hhowen@verizon.net</a>>
                                            wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Wikipedia
                                            (as usual) has everything
                                            you wanted to know... go to
                                            --<br>
                                            <br>
                                            <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holacracy" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holacracy</a>
                                            <br>
                                            <br>
                                            I can certainly imagine Open
                                            Space playing a role in
                                            Holacracies, and in<br>
                                            fact the "governance" in a
                                            Open Space could certainly
                                            be described as<br>
                                            "Holacratic" -- which is to
                                            say "ruling power" is
                                            totally distributed<br>
                                            amongst the participants.
                                            But there is a real
                                            difference. Holacracy in
                                            Open<br>
                                            Space is totally an emergent
                                            phenomenon. Nobody designed
                                            it, nobody<br>
                                            implements it -- it just
                                            shows up all by itself.
                                            Holacracy in places like<br>
                                            Zappos is a designed
                                            phenomenon. Doubtless it
                                            works pretty well, but it
                                            does<br>
                                            seem to me that they may be
                                            working a little too hard,
                                            creating something<br>
                                            that can and does happen all
                                            by itself. I think.<br>
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                                            On Behalf Of Kári Gunnarsson<br>
                                            Sent: Tuesday, March 04,
                                            2014 11:20 AM<br>
                                            To: World wide Open Space
                                            Technology email list<br>
                                            Subject: Re: [OSList] Open
                                            Space and Holacracy<br>
                                            <br>
                                            I heard that Holacracy is
                                            somehow based upon the
                                            principles of Open Space<br>
                                            and uses Open space for its
                                            implementation.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            On 4 March 2014 08:53, Rob
                                            van der Eyden<br>
                                            <<a href="mailto:robvandereyden@veranderarchitect.nl" target="_blank">robvandereyden@veranderarchitect.nl</a>>
                                            wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal">Hello
                                            Kári,<u></u><u></u></p>
                                          <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
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                                          <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal">Interesting
                                              question. How do you see
                                              the link between Open
                                              space and <u></u><u></u></p>
                                          </blockquote>
                                          <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal">Holacracy?<u></u><u></u></p>
                                          </blockquote>
                                          <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
                                          </blockquote>
                                          <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal">Kind
                                              regards, Rob van der Eyden<u></u><u></u></p>
                                          </blockquote>
                                          <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal">-----Oorspronkelijk
                                              bericht-----<u></u><u></u></p>
                                          </blockquote>
                                          <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal">Van:
                                              <a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal">[<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>]
                                              Namens Kári Gunnarsson<u></u><u></u></p>
                                          </blockquote>
                                          <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal">Verzonden:
                                              maandag 3 maart 2014 21:52<u></u><u></u></p>
                                          </blockquote>
                                          <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal">Aan:
                                              Open Space Forum<u></u><u></u></p>
                                          </blockquote>
                                          <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal">Onderwerp:
                                              [OSList] Open Space and
                                              Holacracy<u></u><u></u></p>
                                          </blockquote>
                                          <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
                                          </blockquote>
                                          <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal">There
                                              have been much talk about
                                              the relationship of the
                                              organizational <u></u><u></u></p>
                                          </blockquote>
                                          <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal">chart
                                              and how Open Space
                                              operates. Recent
                                              compareson to me has been
                                              to <u></u><u></u></p>
                                          </blockquote>
                                          <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal">link
                                              the new self-organizing
                                              authority and
                                              decision-making system <u></u><u></u></p>
                                          </blockquote>
                                          <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal">called
                                              Holacracy<u></u><u></u></p>
                                          </blockquote>
                                          <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal">see:
                                              <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holacracy" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holacracy</a><u></u><u></u></p>
                                          </blockquote>
                                          <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
                                          </blockquote>
                                          <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal">I
                                              wonder if there are
                                              stories on the use of Open
                                              space to transform <u></u><u></u></p>
                                          </blockquote>
                                          <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal">more
                                              traditional system to one
                                              of Open Space based
                                              Holacracy?  I would <u></u><u></u></p>
                                          </blockquote>
                                          <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal">be
                                              happy to learn some of
                                              your experiences in this
                                              regard.<u></u><u></u></p>
                                          </blockquote>
                                          <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal">Kári
                                              Gunnarsson<u></u><u></u></p>
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