<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>This reminds me of a very short conversation I had with a participant of the Practice of Peace seminar last January. He had left Zappos not so long ago. We exchanged a few words about the ambiguity of Tony Hsieh mandating Zappos to become holacratic, because it was his own personal vision.<br>
<br></div>I find very interesting this tension between personal vision (think about Gore for instance or Semler and Semco) and self-organization. <br></div>looks very complex and human to me ;)<br></div><div>but stlll wondering how self-organization fits within this kind of frame.<br>
<br><br></div>Christine <br><div><div><br><br><div><br></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Harrison Owen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank">hhowen@verizon.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Christine, Zappo Holarchs “rolled out” according to the following... Sounds like sort of a mandate to me. ho<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="http://qz.com/161210/zappos-is-going-holacratic-no-job-titles-no-managers-no-hierarchy" target="_blank">http://qz.com/161210/zappos-is-going-holacratic-no-job-titles-no-managers-no-hierarchy</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Harrison Owen<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Christine Whitney Sanchez<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 04, 2014 12:46 PM</span></p><div><div class="h5"><br><b>To:</b> World wide Open Space Technology email list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] Open Space and Holacracy<u></u><u></u></div></div><p>
</p></div></div><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Great post, Daniel. Our company worked with Tony Hseigh’s Downtown Las Vegas Project last year and found the whole thing to be very self-organizing. <u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I’m surprised that Zappos is imposing any kind of mandate - where did you discover this?<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Namasté,<br><br>Christine <br><br>Christine Whitney Sanchez, Partner<br>Innovation Partners International<br>
Phoenix, AZ, USA <a href="tel:%2B1.480.759.0262" value="+14807590262" target="_blank">+1.480.759.0262</a><br><a href="http://www.innovationpartners.com" target="_blank">www.innovationpartners.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><img src="cid:image001.png@01CF37B2.6C033690" border="0" height="62" width="162"><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Mar 4, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Dan Mezick <<a href="mailto:dan@newtechusa.net" target="_blank">dan@newtechusa.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">An invitation arouses curiousity, but a mandate dries up <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">the bones... Ancient Proverb<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The Mandate of Holacracy at Zappos:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:".HelveticaNeueUI","serif""><a href="http://newtechusa.net/agile/the-mandate-of-holacracy-at-zappos/" target="_blank">http://newtechusa.net/agile/the-mandate-of-holacracy-at-zappos/</a></span><br>
<br>Sent from my iPhone<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On Mar 4, 2014, at 11:36 AM, "Harrison Owen" <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank">hhowen@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Wikipedia (as usual) has everything you wanted to know... go to --<br><br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holacracy" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holacracy</a> <br>
<br>I can certainly imagine Open Space playing a role in Holacracies, and in<br>fact the "governance" in a Open Space could certainly be described as<br>"Holacratic" -- which is to say "ruling power" is totally distributed<br>
amongst the participants. But there is a real difference. Holacracy in Open<br>Space is totally an emergent phenomenon. Nobody designed it, nobody<br>implements it -- it just shows up all by itself. Holacracy in places like<br>
Zappos is a designed phenomenon. Doubtless it works pretty well, but it does<br>seem to me that they may be working a little too hard, creating something<br>that can and does happen all by itself. I think.<br><br>Harrison<br>
<br>Harrison Owen<br>7808 River Falls Dr.<br>Potomac, MD 20854<br>USA<br><br>189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)<br>Camden, Maine 04843<br><br>Phone 301-365-2093<br>(summer) 207-763-3261<br><br><a href="http://www.openspaceworld.com/" target="_blank">www.openspaceworld.com</a> <br>
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<br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>[<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] On Behalf Of Kári Gunnarsson<br>
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 11:20 AM<br>To: World wide Open Space Technology email list<br>Subject: Re: [OSList] Open Space and Holacracy<br><br>I heard that Holacracy is somehow based upon the principles of Open Space<br>
and uses Open space for its implementation.<br><br>On 4 March 2014 08:53, Rob van der Eyden<br><<a href="mailto:robvandereyden@veranderarchitect.nl" target="_blank">robvandereyden@veranderarchitect.nl</a>> wrote:<br>
<br><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Hello Kári,<u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">Interesting question. How do you see the link between Open space and <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Holacracy?<u></u><u></u></p>
</blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards, Rob van der Eyden<u></u><u></u></p>
</blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----<u></u><u></u></p>
</blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Van: <a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">[<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] Namens Kári Gunnarsson<u></u><u></u></p>
</blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Verzonden: maandag 3 maart 2014 21:52<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">
Aan: Open Space Forum<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Onderwerp: [OSList] Open Space and Holacracy<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">There have been much talk about the relationship of the organizational <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">chart and how Open Space operates. Recent compareson to me has been to <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">link the new self-organizing authority and decision-making system <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">called Holacracy<u></u><u></u></p>
</blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">see: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holacracy" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holacracy</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">I wonder if there are stories on the use of Open space to transform <u></u><u></u></p>
</blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">more traditional system to one of Open Space based Holacracy? I would <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">be happy to learn some of your experiences in this regard.<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">--<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Kári Gunnarsson<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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