<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Hi Michael<br><br></div>Thank you for refering to your ebook that I helped to translate in French ;). Indeed, I loved the article, I know what Wicke describes, and I know also what he doesn't say, and for which I would have loved to have questioned him. <br>
I would have asked him exactely those 2 questions. .. Concretely, how did he do ?<br></div><div>In Wicke's case, I can imagine that the first question -keeping the system coherent as a whole - was not difficult, as it has a very clear mission. But still I would ask it, as I am sure some answers could be surprising. But how were strategic decisions made ? He doesn't say it. There are many ways to do it, depending on the structure of the system. You don't implement all ideas that come out of open space the same way. It depends who/what they impact. At least those are the questions for which I wonder and have no answers...<br>
<br></div><div>Christine <br></div><div><br><div><br><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Michael M Pannwitz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mmpannwitz@gmail.com" target="_blank">mmpannwitz@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Christine,<br>
as you easily can tell, I ain't Harrison. I gather he has not gotten up yet considering the sun not shining on all of us at the same time.<br>
Of course, I cant speak for him!<br>
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Still, here is my view, my assumptions on your issues:<br>
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All systems are selforganizing, that is the forces of selforganisation are always active... sometimes hardly noticeable, sometimes very present.<br>
So, neither you or I or Harrison or an armada of CEOs can keep an organisations coherent and we would be fools not to leave it to the forces of selforganisation. It, the system, could stay coherent more easily if controls are reduced.<br>
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To have selforganisation do its thing (in every nook and cranny or for the whole), you might try: Fill in.<br>
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For a real life and quite successful organisation including the environment in which it moves and with which it interacts, have a look (in six different languages all in one ebook: French, Chinese, English, German, Spanish and Polish) at Practicing Open Space-Our First Ten Years (in the meantime its been going on for 13 years), published as an ebook, here<br>
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<a href="http://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Practicing-Open-Space-Our-First-Ten-Years-E-Book" target="_blank">http://www.westkreuz-verlag.<u></u>de/de/Practicing-Open-Space-<u></u>Our-First-Ten-Years-E-Book</a><br>
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Have a grand day<br>
cheers<br>
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Harrison,<br>
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In a self -organized system, how do you keep the organization coherent<br>
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How do you make decisions that concern the whole organization ?<br>
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businesses are self-organizing.” I agree, and why not just follow<br>
the beaten path? Holarchy is a wonderful concept, and a good<br>
description of what I think I experience in a self organizing<br>
system. But why go for a knock-off when you can have the original?<br>
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