<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Harrison,</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you for your answer</div><div><br></div><div>What do you mean exactely with the law of 2 feet ? I mean, if it's the only way to make decisions, isn't it another way of keeping unabalnced relationship? For instance, for me, having strategic meeting starting at 5 or 6pm is unfair because it makes those in charge of families to have to struggle with balancing work/family issues. Anoter example : during the open space I facilitated with women in politics, I heard stories about how difficult political decisions are made : very often, discussion last for hours and hours, throughout day and night. Often it ends in a bar, with alcoool and cigars, and the agreement is reached in the middle of the night. Those women say :" if you want to be someone in politics, you have to behave like this, even as we, as women, pight not like it as much as men seem to like it". Other examples of decision with law of two feet for me are the negociation with trade unions : you know that the first who leave the table, even if it is avec 72hours of non-stop negociation, will loose. Well, although those are way of making decisions, are they "fair" ? Isn't it logical that we try to have different processses for different situations and that we try to make them explicit ?<br>
</div><div><br></div><div>christine</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Harrison Owen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank">hhowen@verizon.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’m awake now (Thank you Michael). And Christine – to your questions and my thoughts.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">“In a self -organized system, how do you keep the organization coherent as a whole ?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">How do you make decisions that concern the whole organization ?”<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I think the simple answer may be, “You don’t (make decisions or maintain coherency). The System does – which is in a way the essence of self-organization. I think one way of understanding self organization is that it is the systemic response to a changing environment in order to maintain internal and external coherence... a complicated way of saying that the system wants to get along in the world in a positive fashion. Part of maintaining that systemic coherence is by making a whole bunch of decisions – none, or few, of which are made by a vote or executive dictate. A powerful mechanism in this regard is our old friend, “The Law of Two feet.” – I think.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 08, 2014 5:30 PM</span></p><div class="im"><br><b>To:</b> World wide Open Space Technology email list<br></div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] From linkedin today<u></u><u></u><p></p></div><div>
<div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Harrison,<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">In a self -organized system, how do you keep the organization coherent as a whole ?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">How do you make decisions that concern the whole organization ?<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">Christine <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">
<u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 8:27 PM, Harrison Owen <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank">hhowen@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Paul – This piece from Zappos is interesting indeed. Though I must say I do wonder why the Zapposites feel it necessary to organize a self organizing system? As they say, “In a city, people and businesses are self-organizing.” I agree, and why not just follow the beaten path? Holarchy is a wonderful concept, and a good description of what I think I experience in a self organizing system. But why go for a knock-off when you can have the original? Just let (invite) the system to self organize. It will work better, and costs a lot less effort. As Stuart Kauffman might say, “order for free.”</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Camden, Maine 04843</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Nunesdea<br>
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<div><blockquote style="border:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:11.0pt 11.0pt 11.0pt 11.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-top:11.25pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:11.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Research shows that every time the size of a city doubles, innovation or productivity per resident increases by 15 percent. But when companies get bigger, innovation or productivity per employee generally goes down. So we're trying to figure out how to structure Zappos more like a city, and less like a bureaucratic corporation. In a city, people and businesses are self-organizing. We're trying to do the same thing by switching from a normal hierarchical structure to a system called Holacracy, which enables employees to act more like entrepreneurs and self-direct their work instead of reporting to a manager who tells them what to do.<u></u><u></u></p>
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