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Part of the dance is the back and forth between coherence and fragmentation. Chaos offers both opportunity and threat, new life and death. Coherence leads to new life patterns emerging, fragmentation leads towards death and the cycle toward new life continues. In my experience there is lot's that can be done to reinforce, nurture and support coherence. Holding the space is one aspect. Drawing attention and building consensus around what is emerging is another, supporting parts of the system through conflict in a manner that continues to increase the likelihood of coherence is a third. There are many more...and those are some quick thoughts for now. All of this can and is done with in the context of self-organization and someone having the passion and taking the initiative to do it. The two are not mutually exclusive.
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I’d add to what Harrison is saying about what keeps a social system coherent without someone in charge. It’s something built into the practice of Open Space Technology: coming together as a whole, following our two feet to sessions called around we love, coming back as a whole, dispersing again for the evening. Like breathing.
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There’s a power in coming together to reflect that connects us, helps us see ourselves in context, creates a coherent sense of “us” that complements all of the “I’s”. So without the need to make decisions or come to consensus, I suspect that long-lived self-organizing social systems create a rhythm in which the whole (or a sufficient subset of it) comes together periodically.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">“In a self -organized system, how do you keep the organization coherent as a whole ?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I think the simple answer may be, “You don’t (make decisions or maintain coherency). The System does – which is in a way the essence of self-organization. I think one way of understanding self organization is that it is the systemic response to a changing environment in order to maintain internal and external coherence... a complicated way of saying that the system wants to get along in the world in a positive fashion. Part of maintaining that systemic coherence is by making a whole bunch of decisions – none, or few, of which are made by a vote or executive dictate. A powerful mechanism in this regard is our old friend, “The Law of Two feet.” – I think.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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