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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Graydancer...Wonderful! All of my “public” events have always had a fee. A whopping $25! In every situation that was more than enough, and in most situations there was a surplus which usually ended up in the Access Queen’s Fund. Part of the secret is to choose a venue with local eateries close at hand. The Open Space quickly expands to include the neighborhood, everybody has what they want to eat, and financing is reduced to the minimum.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Harrison<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Harrison Owen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>7808 River Falls Dr.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Potomac, MD 20854<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>USA<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Camden, Maine 04843<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Phone 301-365-2093<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(summer) 207-763-3261<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="www.openspaceworld.com%20"><span style='color:blue'>www.openspaceworld.com</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="www.ho-image.com%20"><span style='color:blue'>www.ho-image.com</span></a> (Personal Website)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'>To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to:<a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org"><span style='color:blue'>http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org [mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Graydancer<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:22 AM<br><b>To:</b> World wide Open Space Technology email list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] $ and unconferences<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>My first reaction is to burst out in hysterical laughter...<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>My unconferences are priced according to a formula: (cost of venue + lunch (for expected attendance or venue capacity) + facilitator travel expense) divided by number of expected/desired attendees. We then add on 15% per ticket as a "cushion", and open ticket sales, usually between $30-$75 each. Since the demographic I serve are used to paying several hundred dollars for weekend conferences, the pricetag is only a barrier in the "<i>If it's that cheap, it must not be worth it"</i> sense.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This has worked fairly well, with some exceptions that have been good learning experiences. However, keeping the margins this close can tend to be a bit nervewracking for the "boots-on-the-ground" organizers (usually individual community leaders, not corporations or social groups) because people don't always buy tickets until the last minute. For example, I'm typing this from the Denver Airport on the way to facilitate my 53rd Unconference this weekend, and we're still not in the black in terms of ticket sales. However, I expect a surge over the next two days (and we may even sell some tickets at the door). <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Out of the 53, only 4 have operated at a loss, and in every one of those it was because the organizers chose to do things their own way (and spend extra money) rather than simply trust the event to provide enough satisfaction for the participants.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Currently, though, I've noticed that there is one major cost that could be eliminated from these "GRUEs" as they're known. That's <i>me.</i> Because this is a relatively new niche for OS (alternative sexuality & sex education) there's a lot of people who will contact me and ask me to come and facilitate and help them run it - with the result that I'm traveling way too much. I've started successfully answering people with the "teach them to fish" analogy - pointing out to them how much cheaper and easier it would be to run an event that didn't need to pay for a flight, or work around my schedule.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Yes, I'm negotiating myself out of a job, but it's not that lucrative a job anyway - and I find that it's just as rewarding to see and hear about people in my community creating their own OS's as it is actually running one.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Gray<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>----<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Blog: <a href="http://graydancer.com/" target="_blank">graydancer.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/graydancer" target="_blank">@graydancer</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/gray.dancer" target="_blank">gray.dancer</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>podcast: <a href="http://ropecast.com" target="_blank">The Ropecast</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Steven Clift <<a href="mailto:clift@e-democracy.org" target="_blank">clift@e-democracy.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>We are experimenting with a $10 charge option to reduce no show registrations (so we order the right amount of food).<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We have a free lottery option which only kicks in if we go over capacity. We also have scholarship and volunteer options to guarantee a ticket now.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>See: <a href="http://citycampmn.org" target="_blank">http://citycampmn.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Steven Clift - <a href="http://stevenclift.com" target="_blank">http://stevenclift.com</a><br> Executive Director - <a href="http://E-Democracy.org" target="_blank">http://E-Democracy.org</a> <br> Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/democracy" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/democracy</a><br> Tel/Text: <a href="tel:%2B1.612.234.7072" target="_blank">+1.612.234.7072</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Daniel Mezick <<a href="mailto:dan@newtechusa.net" target="_blank">dan@newtechusa.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I'm sure this is very true. In theory, speakers are not compensated for travel, lodging and so on. In theory this reduces costs.<br><br>I have had some people discuss with me this exact dynamic.<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 10/29/13 9:44 PM, Jean Richardson wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Someone asked me a very interesting question tonight about unconferences, and I thought I’d best bring it to this forum. The question was are the staging of unconferences ever motivated by the desire to make money. I’m not sure I’ve ever attended one that was—at least not a lot of money as in a profit-making model. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>What is the general experience of folks on this list?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>--- Jean<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td width=103 valign=top style='width:77.4pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:2.0pt'><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=535 valign=top style='width:401.4pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt'><p 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