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So interesting, the very strong connection Harrison and Jenifer
sketch between [goal seeking] and [control]. <br>
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I view [goal seeking] and [control] as related and different.<br>
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I can have a goal without attempting to control any one but myself,
per my previous example: trend following.<br>
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Attempts at "control" (a vague term indeed) are exactly how some
free agents choose to self-organize themselves, in a space that is
truly free. Not all of them, to be sure, yet some of them.<br>
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Is it controlling....?......to try to influence people away from
addressing their need for perceived control? Hmmm...<br>
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Energetically opposing a strong trend....<br>
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<img src="cid:part1.06000601.03070301@newtechusa.net" alt=""><br>
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...usually results in some difficult learning.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/30/13 6:50 AM, Jenifer Toksvig
wrote:<br>
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<font size="2"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">Hey
Daniel,<br>
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>> ... control of one's self / discipline <<<br>
<br>
The conversation might be getting skewed, as is so easily
the case in threaded discussions like this. (And I had
forgotten how much I love them!)<br>
<br>
Harrison said: >> Goal seeking systems are purely a
figment of our imagination created in a desperate attempt to
satisfy our unending (and futile) need for control. <<<br>
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You said: >> Yes, and not every goal seeker is a
control freak. Some of us are quite the opposite... there is
goal-seeking without a controlling spirit. <<<br>
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And I say: self-discipline is a form of control. It’s
goal-seeking. I didn’t say it was good or bad :-) but just
that it is. We try to control things, including ourselves,
in an existence that responds unpredictably. Admittedly, the
more information mankind figures out about the world, the
more we are able to control things. (I’m not sure I entirely
like that, to be honest.)<br>
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Still, in this day and age, I can try to exert self-control
over my health, and achieve the goal of – what, a long life?
A healthy life? And all kinds of little goals in between.
Still, life can screw with me.<br>
<br>
I said: >> I don’t think it’s possible to be
goal-oriented and try to exert some kind of control over the
process, unless your goal is… to have no goal. <<<br>
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Very badly worded, but I meant that I don’t think it’s a
rule in life that you can use control and therefore achieve
goals. It happens, but I’m pretty sure it’s not a rule.<br>
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I also agree that it’s human nature to try anyway. And in
many ways foolish not to try. The effects of trying is much
of the stuff that “whatever happens” is made of.<br>
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Me: >> ... being prepared to be surprised is a goal. A
sort of wonderfully ridiculous one.<br>
<br>
You: >> Yes, and the statement itself is: directive.
Wait, whats that doing in OST? <<<br>
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Being beautifully, and somewhat amusingly, observational.
Like the rest of OST.<br>
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J x<br>
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