<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><blockquote type="cite" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">when a group is introduced to a definite process and OST is part of the equation, the net result is often that the process itself is treated like anything else in OST – up for discussion.</span></p></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Bingo...thats the whole point. Whatever the suggested (formerly MANDATED) practices are, Scrum or whatever...are now up for discussion. This is the *entire* reason to use the OAA approach. Further, this is not manipulation, or its 1st cousin, persuasion. This is invitation in the truest sense if the word. If OAA is used for persuasion, this is a 100% corruption of the actual intent and purpose. OAA does not seek to persuade.</div><div><br></div><div>As for spirit...give it time. Things may ripen presently, or not. I'm watching for signs of an up-trend.</div><div><br></div><div><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Oct 22, 2013, at 10:59 AM, "Harrison Owen" <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net">hhowen@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)"><style><!--
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dan – I guess it is time for me to come clean and reveal all my ulterior motives. Frankly, I could care less if you and others use OS by way of an introduction to Agile/Scrum. I have some reservations that, to the extent that SCRUM is a prescribed process (whether entered voluntarily or not), OST may not be quite what you want. My experience has been that when a group is introduced to a definite process and OST is part of the equation, the net result is often that the process itself is treated like anything else in OST – up for discussion. That said, it surely can’t hurt and is probably much better than whatever alternatives. As an old Swedish friend of mine put it, “OST is the WD-40 of group work. One shot will loosen up just about anything.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">But all that is just the tip of the iceberg. I think the discussion will really get interesting and fruitful when we begin to take hard look at what I might call the “Agility Function” of OST. How does it work and why? How can we amplify the effect? I suggested that agility is a natural act. True? If so, could it become an everyday natural act?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">On your “favorite question” – OST as a Spiritual practice... I did write a paper some years ago for a book that never happened titled, “Open Space and Spirit shows up.” <a href="http://openspaceworld.com/spirt_shows.htm">http://openspaceworld.com/spirt_shows.htm</a> I confess that I share Linda Stevenson’s unease with talking about OS and Spirituality. But then again...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Harrison<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Harrison Owen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">7808 River Falls Dr.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Potomac, MD 20854<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">USA<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Camden, Maine 04843<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Phone 301-365-2093<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(summer) 207-763-3261<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a href="www.openspaceworld.com%20"><span style="color:blue">www.openspaceworld.com</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a href="www.ho-image.com%20"><span style="color:blue">www.ho-image.com</span></a> (Personal Website)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D">To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to:<a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org"><span style="color:blue">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> <a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a> [<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniel Mezick<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:41 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] OST / Gaming<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Jenifer,<br><br><br>Yes, and if you feel claustrophobic *reading* about Agile, let's imagine how claustrophobic the people inside these 'agile' organizations feel...<br><br>...when they are told by an entirely well-meaning authority,<br><br> that they <b>must</b> "do" something, and even "be" something...entirely <i>unfamilar</i>...without their explicit <u>consent</u>.<br><br><br>Is this or is this not the definition of a closed space? <br><br>And finally, my favorite question: Is OST actually a group-spiritual practice?<br><br>Dan<br><br><br><br><br><a href="http://newtechusa.net/agile/spirit/">http://newtechusa.net/agile/spirit/</a><br><strong><i>We all want rapid and lasting Agile adoptions.</i></strong><em> </em>The Open Agile Adoption technique (OAA) can help. The OAA technique is drawing deeply from the book SPIRIT by Harrison Owen. It’s an amazing and even essential book for any person who is serious about achieving a rapid and lasting Agile adoption. In a very real sense the book SPIRIT by Harrison Owen, first published in 1986, is the first (and perhaps the only) book written on how to achieve a rapid and lasting Agile adoption. <o:p></o:p></p><p>"...I have written this book for friends and colleagues, known and unknown, who find themselves in the midst of a transforming world, and are resolved to look beneath the surface to the underlying source of change. This source, which has become manifest in the form and structure of our organizations, I call Spirit." – Harrison Owen, Prologue, SPIRIT: Development and Transformation in Organizations. (Circa 1986)<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br><br><br><a href="http://www.OpenAgileAdoption.com">www.OpenAgileAdoption.com</a><br><a href="http://www.infoq.com/articles/open-agile-adoption-1">http://www.infoq.com/articles/open-agile-adoption-1</a><br><a href="http://www.infoq.com/articles/open-agile-adoption-2">http://www.infoq.com/articles/open-agile-adoption-2</a><br><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 10/22/13 8:14 AM, Jenifer Toksvig wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Harrison, you said:<br><br>>> ... our conversation always seems to have (must have?) some frame of reference with certain metaphors and images. [...] It is not so much about right or wrong but rather capacity to communicate. <<<br><br>It’s all about Story, yes, absolutely. I was just saying to Dan in an email that I had never heard of Agile until this conversation, so I went to read all about it... and then had to stop reading about it because, as a story, it makes me feel claustrophobic. Especially as a story that is being linked to OST.<br><br>OST is my guide in so many ways. It’s my comparison story: the thing against which I find myself measuring life stuff.<br><br>- because it’s not a story. Oddly, I think I made that strong connection with OST because it seems to me that it is just how things are, rather than how anyone might want to say things are. Which is not that odd at all, actually, now I come to think about it.<br><br>Although I am not in any way religious, perhaps those who are feel the same way: that their belief system is not a story, but the core truth of the world. It seems strange to me that they wouldn’t challenge it to make sure it isn’t a story in disguise, though. I challenge OST every day.<br><br>In fact, maybe that’s what I mean by ‘comparison’. I don’t measure life against it, so much as measure it against life, and I am continuously delighted to find that it is simply a description of how life happens, nothing more and nothing less.<br><br>How wonderful, how refreshing to find a true *description* in a world full of takes and truths.<br><br>When I write stories, I think the characters already exist in the place of potential, and all they do is choose me to be their conduit onto the page; I’m the right conduit for a specific few. I am not at all surprised that OST chose you. Thank you for being open to being chosen, and for staying open when you recognised it for what it was.<br><br>Jen x<br><br></span><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray">Jenifer Toksvig<br></span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray"><a href="http://www.acompletelossforwords.com">www.acompletelossforwords.com</a><br><br><b>The Copenhagen Interpretation<br></b><a href="http://www.thecopenhageninterpretation.co.uk">www.thecopenhageninterpretation.co.uk</a><br></span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><br></span><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>OSList mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>To post send emails to <a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>To unsubscribe send an email to <a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">-- <br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class="p1">Daniel Mezick, President<o:p></o:p></p><p class="p1">New Technology Solutions Inc.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="p1">(203) 915 7248 (cell)<o:p></o:p></p><p class="p2"><span class="s1"><a href="http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/">Bio</a></span><span class="s2">. <a href="http://newtechusa.net/blog/"><span class="s1">Blog</span></a>. <a href="http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/"><span class="s1">Twitter</span></a>.</span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="color:black"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="p3"><span class="s2">Examine my new book:</span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="color:black"> </span></span><span class="s2"><a href="http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/"><span class="s1">The Culture Game </span></a></span><span class="s1">: Tools for the Agile Manager</span><span class="s2">.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="p1">Explore Agile Team <a href="http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/"><span class="s3">Training</span></a> and <a href="http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/"><span class="s3">Coaching.</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class="p1">Explore the <a href="http://newtechusa.net/user-groups/ma/"><span class="s3">Agile Boston </span></a>Community.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>OSList mailing list</span><br><span>To post send emails to <a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span>To unsubscribe send an email to <a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:</span><br><span><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>