<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><div><span style="font-size: 13px; ">Thanks cris, and a good way of describing, enfleshing, embodying self-organization: "</span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 16px; ">People are always ready to help translate if they know that it is the job of the community to supply the resources for understanding rather than the job of the host."</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 16px; "><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span style="font-family:
'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 16px; ">Carms</span></div><div></div><div> </div><div><font color="#60bf00" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><i><strong>If there is to be any peace it will come through being, not having. -- Henry Miller</strong></i></font></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block; "> <br> <br> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; "> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> On Thursday, 17 October 2013, 12:53, "chris.corrigan@gmail.com" <chris.corrigan@gmail.com> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv9635452796"><div>Seconding these many excellent points from Dianne. I have recently facilitated events in Estonian, Turkish, Irish and French and I only speak French passably. We worked with either translating instructions or with
whisper translation to those that needed it and offered the principle that whoever needs help can ask for it. People are always ready to help translate if they know that it is the job of the community to supply the resources for understanding rather than the job of the host. <div><br clear="none"></div><div>Kindness and help is a great gift.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Chris<br clear="none"><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"><div><div class="yiv9635452796yqt6621295116" id="yiv9635452796yqt41216"><div>On 2013-10-16, at 10:57 AM, Diane Gibeault <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:diane.gibeault@rogers.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:diane.gibeault@rogers.com">diane.gibeault@rogers.com</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none" class="yiv9635452796Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size:
10pt; "><div><span>Hi Carmela,</span></div><div style="font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div style="font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>
</span><div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal"><span lang="FR-CA">I will share my experience with and without interpreters.</span></div>
<div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal"><span lang="FR-CA"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal"><span lang="FR-CA">First - Without interpreters as this is a
more common situation </span></div>
<div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal"><span lang="FR-CA"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal"><span lang="FR-CA">I have facilitated an international OS
conference organized by an NGO who did not have a budget for interpretation. This in fact is more representative of my experience with OS where there is a mix of languages. </span></div>
<div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal"><span lang="FR-CA"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal"><span lang="FR-CA">- Participants posted a topic in the
language in which they planned to start the discussion. </span></div>
<div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal"><span lang="FR-CA">- I encouraged all participants to add in smaller
print, circled at a bottom corner of their sheet, their topic in another
language, one they were familiar with or they could ask another participant to
translate it for them. I showed
them an example as I explained this so it would be visual and easier to
understand. The intent was to allow more people to understand the topic and
join the discussion.</span></div>
<div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal"><span lang="FR-CA">- Participants were invited to use the
buddy system: participate to a given group along with someone who is familiar
with the language of the posted topic. </span></div>
<div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal"><span lang="FR-CA">- A system of volunteers can be easily
created. Participants can volunteer to be language buddies as needed by wearing
an additional badge which indicates the languages they can offer help with. </span></div>
<div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal"><span lang="FR-CA">- Independently of these systems, what we
know is that the resources are in the group – someone can do the interpretation
- and if not, if people care enough, the participant or the group, they will
find external resources. I was in
a group once where someone
interpreted from Spanish to English and I interpreted from English to French
and it worked wonderfully. </span></div>
<div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal"><span lang="FR-CA">- In an OS where there are many languages,
often people select topics they want to join among those posted in a language they
understand. It’s a personal choice. OS is all about choices one makes. The law
of the two feet allows everyone to find the place the want in the given
context.</span></div>
<div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal"><span lang="FR-CA"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal"><span lang="FR-CA"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal"><span lang="FR-CA">Now - With interpreters</span></div>
<div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal"><span lang="FR-CA"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal"><span lang="FR-CA">I did an Open Space in Brasil with about
200 participants where interpreters simultaneously transmitted what was being
said in the large circle, in 4 different languages. </span></div><div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal" style="font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span lang="FR-CA">- I gave interpreters in advance, an
example of the OS opening points so they could get familiarized with the OS terms and
concepts. I also spoke to them about the spirit of OS so that might influence
their choice of words to better reflect the intent.</span></div>
<div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal"><span lang="FR-CA"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal"><span lang="FR-CA">- For the discussion groups, a team of about of
about 8 interpreters was available in the lobby; anyone could ask them to join
a group as needed. </span></div><div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal" style="font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span lang="FR-CA">- In the groups, they would do consecutive interpretation, i.e. sitting
beside the person(s) wanting interpretation so they could speak in a lower
voice directly to them. </span></div><div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal" style="font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span lang="FR-CA">- When those participants spoke, their comment would be
interpreted in the language of the rest of the group (in this case, often
English or Spanish). </span></div><div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal" style="font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span lang="FR-CA">- The rest of the group would generally wait for the
interpretation to be completed before another person spoke, especially if the
statement being interpreted was lengthy. </span></div>
<div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal"><span style="background-color:transparent;">- Often interpreters were not busy, as
participants were doing the interpretation themselves.</span></div>
<div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal"><span lang="FR-CA"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal"><span lang="FR-CA"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal"><span lang="FR-CA">In either approaches, with or without interpretation, the experience of
helping one another creates a very special bond among participants. </span></div><div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal" style="font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span lang="FR-CA">That’s what we
say in the opening: OS is about collaboration and being creative. </span></div>
<div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal"><span lang="FR-CA"> </span></div><div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal" style="font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span lang="FR-CA"> Hope this is helpful</span></div>
<div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal"><span lang="FR-CA">Diane Gibeault</span></div>
</div><div></div><div> </div><div><div style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;line-height:1.22;padding:0px;margin:2px 0px 0px 2px;display:block;"><div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal"><div style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;line-height:1.22;padding:0px;margin:2px 0px 0px 2px;display:block;"><div class="yiv9635452796MsoNormal" style="font-family: Times; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div></div><div><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px;"> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Carmela Ariza
<<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:carmela_ariza@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:carmela_ariza@yahoo.com">carmela_ariza@yahoo.com</a>><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> "<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 14, 2013 7:45:49 PM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> [OSList] How to deal with having many languages in open space?<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div class="yiv9635452796y_msg_container"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv9635452796"><div
style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><div><span>Dear OS practitioners,</span></div><div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>Good day!</span></div><div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>How do you address the need for interpreters/translators when doing
open space, particularly Open Space sessions....wherein everyone is in different topic groups...?</span></div><div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>How many interpreters would be needed for a 200 pax out of 1000 pax (for example) - who do not really speak English well (if at all they do speak any English)?</span></div><div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>How do you deal with this
situation?</span></div><div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>For the OS principles, law - we will definitely be having posters on the wall - in different languages....</span></div><div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>Looking forward to your helpful experiences and suggestions!</span></div><div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color:
transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>Best,</span></div><div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>Carms</span></div><div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div></div><div> </div><div><font
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