<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><div><span>Thanks for the link, Harold. Very interesting. It seams to me that much that is said there is still valid today. Maybe OT people were expecting changes in a direction that was not exactly the one that has been followed by the corporate word in this last 30 years. I wonder what others will say about us 30 years from now... </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 19px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 19px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>The suggestions they made at
Wikipedia are helpful, but will imply a lot of rewriting - by an English native...</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 19px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 19px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Artur</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 19px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 19px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style:
normal;"><span> </span></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <br> <br> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> On Monday, October 14, 2013 2:42 PM, Harold Shinsato <harold@shinsato.com> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv7052304107"><div>
<div class="yiv7052304107moz-cite-prefix">Hi Artur,<br clear="none">
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I actually found a reference in a book by Beverly Fletcher,
"Organization transformation theorists and practitioners: profiles
and themes" published in 1990 which I was able to cite in
rewriting to remove the questions in the article page - to give
the time and conference - Boston Regional ODN in the spring of
1982. It's an interesting read as this part of the book is visible
on Google Books preview - <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://books.google.com/books?id=U79jGNETRKIC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false">http://books.google.com/books?id=U79jGNETRKIC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false</a>.<br clear="none">
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I looked over the talk section of the Open Space wikipedia entry
and I think I agree with some of the comments there about the tone
of the article sounding too much like a promotion or advocacy of
OST, and the most helpful comment was that the article could use
benefit from looking at the format of the Wikipedia entry on
Scrum. This seems like a lot more rewriting is needed to help
legitimize the article. Too much work for me to do right now - but
at least I answered those questions.<br clear="none">
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Harold<br clear="none">
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On 10/14/13 4:39 AM, Artur Silva wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div><span>Harold: The idea of correcting the OST entry in the
Wikipedia is very valuable.</span></div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span>But,
in what concerns the initial part with issues (</span><span style="font-size:13px;line-height:19.1875px;">In the
early 1980s</span><sup class="yiv7052304107noprint yiv7052304107Inline-Template" style="line-height:1em;white-space:nowrap;">[<i><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers#Chronological_items" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11, 0, 128);background-image:none;"><span title="The time period mentioned near this tag is ambiguous. (September 2013)">when?</span></a></i>]</sup><span style="font-size:13px;line-height:19.1875px;">, Harrison
Owen wrote a paper on what he called "organization
transformation". He presented this paper at a traditional
management conference</span><sup class="yiv7052304107noprint yiv7052304107Inline-Template" style="line-height:1em;white-space:nowrap;">[<i><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7052304107mw-redirect" target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words" title="Wikipedia:Avoid weasel words" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11, 0, 128);background-image:none;"><span title="The material near this tag possibly uses too vague attribution or weasel words. (September 2013)">which?</span></a></i>]</sup><span style="font-size:13px;line-height:19.1875px;">. It was
well enough received that a number of people</span><sup class="yiv7052304107noprint yiv7052304107Inline-Template" style="line-height:1em;white-space:nowrap;">[<i><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7052304107mw-redirect" target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words" title="Wikipedia:Avoid weasel words" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11, 0, 128);background-image:none;"><span title="The material near this tag possibly uses too-vague attribution or weasel words. (September 2013)">who?</span></a></i>]</sup><span style="font-size:13px;line-height:19.1875px;"> urged Owen
to organize a conference to specifically address the issues
and opportunities he identified in his paper.</span><span style="background-color:transparent;">) as there was not
such paper, but only a presentation, can't this be explained
on the "talk page" and propose that the all sentence be
supressed?</span></div>
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<div style="background-color:transparent;font-style:italic;"><span style="background-color:transparent;font-size:18px;">Harrison:
Even if you are not sure if you said that at the time, it is
still correct and I am sure that you wrote it now :-) </span></div>
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<div style="background-color:transparent;font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:18px;"><span style="background-color:transparent;font-size:18px;">So
can I quote this:</span></div>
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<div style="background-color:transparent;font-style:italic;"><span style="font-size:18px;"><span style="background-color:transparent;">«</span><span>I don’t know what Organization
Transformation is, but I suspect that it may be the
successor to Organization Development, appropriate to life
in a transforming world.</span><span style="background-color:transparent;">»? </span></span></div>
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<div style="background-color:transparent;font-style:italic;"><span style="background-color:transparent;font-size:large;">Regards</span></div>
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October 13, 2013 4:57 PM, Harrison Owen
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<div class="yiv7052304107MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">OK – got a clue. I
did make a presentation at a regional
gathering of the ODN in the early 80’s.
Actually David Belle Isle and I did it
jointly. The title of our presentation was
“Myth and Ritual as the Ground for
Organization Transformation.” There never
really was a paper, just some notes, and we
just talked. I vaguely recall the last remarks
– which I made – “I don’t know what
Organization Transformation is, but I suspect
that it may be the successor to Organization
Development, appropriate to life in a
transforming world.” Or something.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv7052304107MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> Harold
Shinsato [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7052304107moz-txt-link-freetext" ymailto="mailto:harold@shinsato.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:harold@shinsato.com">mailto:harold@shinsato.com</a>] <br clear="none">
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 13, 2013
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<b>Subject:</b> Original Harrison Owen
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<div class="yiv7052304107MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;">Hey folks, an
ongoing effort of many people on this list and
of the Open Space Institute U.S. has been to
fix up the Wikipedia page. <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://wikipedia.org/Open_Space_Technology">http://wikipedia.org/Open_Space_Technology</a>.
It has had some of the ugly warnings at the
beginning removed, but there are still issues.<br clear="none">
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The opening of the current version of the
wikipedia article cites a paper Harrison Owen
wrote at "a traditional management
conference".<br clear="none">
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What was this paper and is it available
anywhere?<br clear="none">
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When was it published?<br clear="none">
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What was the traditional management conference
where it was published?<br clear="none">
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Harold</div>
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