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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dan,<br>
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      There's a kind of 'vibe' around Open Space which might make it
      difficult for people working with the format to necessarily see
      some of it's nature, and I think this community is missing some
      gifts from your perspective because the elusive nature of the
      spirit of Open Space doesn't much care for boundaries,
      constraints, and prescriptions. My hope is we won't lose those
      gifts because of the wrapping.<br>
      <br>
      I'd like to respect the poetry of Open Space, and I'm not in any
      way opposing the perspective being put forward by Harrison, Lisa
      and others. The word constrain according to dictionary.com
      includes in its definition words like "force", "compel", and
      "oblige". This is not in alignment with the word invitation, nor
      with the spirit of what we're trying to accomplish with Open
      Space.<br>
      <br>
      But I'm drawn to your perspective of looking at Open Space as a
      game with simple 'rules' and I look forward to grasping this
      better. It seems part of a redefinition or clarification of power,
      authority, and respect that is happening in both commerce,
      government, and families. This is something I passionately care
      about, but it remains an open question and probably will remain
      one until I die. But I sense from conversations we had in
      Nashville at Agile 2013 that you have something for me and for
      this Open Space community in this area. I hope this email will
      help that happen.<br>
      <br>
      Although Thomas Jefferson wrote "we hold these truths to be
      self-evident", that certainly did not imply that British rule at
      the time included awareness or acceptance of the "self-evident"
      truths espoused in that document. Self-evident does *not* mean
      obvious. The truths Thomas Jefferson wrote about could only be
      held within the imperfect container of his words after millennia
      of study and reflection.<br>
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      And notice the word "hold" in "hold these truths". Thomas
      Jefferson and the other founders did attempt to hold and establish
      these truths into society with rules, laws, constraints and
      containers. One of the biggest things they were trying to
      constrain was the power and potential evil inherent in governance
      itself.<br>
      <br>
      Yes, whether we like it or not, the universe is self-organizing.
      This might be a self-evident truth, but it certainly isn't obvious
      - especially to those who think they're running this planet with
      systems that seem on a bee line to multiple environmental and
      humanitarian disasters.<br>
      <br>
      I'll leave with a question. How could seeing Open Space as a game
      help us better invite people to play with us in redefining our
      current organization structures to let in more Life and Spirit?<br>
      <br>
          Thanks,<br>
          Harold<br>
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      On 9/30/13 11:31 AM, Daniel Mezick wrote:<br>
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      I request help and guidance. Will you help me understand the rule
      of the Open Space meeting format?<br>
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      If the 1 law & the 4/5 principles are natural and
      self-evident, I am confused about the need to mention them
      whatsoever. <br>
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      If the 1 law and the 4/5 principles are not natural and not
      self-evident, I am confused about how mentioning them is optional.<br>
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      The 1 "law" (quotes) and "4/5 principles" (quotes again) are
      either self-evident, or they are not. I wonder which is the
      reality.<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/30/13 8:05 AM, Harrison Owen
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              – I have to agree with Lisa. As said multiple times
              before, the 5 principles and the Law are descriptive and
              not prescriptive. Or at least that is the way they popped
              into my head: simple observations of what was transpiring,
              as opposed to directions concerning what should be taking
              place. I have always said “Principles” and “Law” with a
              smile, because if you really think about it, they are
              neither (principle or law). More like, “funny things that
              happen on the way to the future.” There is an essential
              humor, sense of fun in Open Space – and if we ever lose
              it, we begin to take things much too seriously </span><span
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                River Falls Dr.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                MD 20854<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                Beaucaire Ave. (summer)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                Maine 04843<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                207-763-3261<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lisa Heft<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 30, 2013 3:22 AM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> World wide Open Space Technology email list<br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> [OSList] (was) Open Space in schools -
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                                                          *invitations*
                                                          not as
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                                                          - some of us
                                                          do not use the
                                                          5th Principle
                                                          at all.
                                                          However, the
                                                          saying,
                                                          inviting and
                                                          simple
                                                          explanation of
                                                          these
                                                          invitations
                                                          help to create
                                                          the structure
                                                          (as there is a
                                                          structure,
                                                          just not the
                                                          structure that
                                                          a lot of
                                                          people have
                                                          experienced in
                                                          meetings) / to
                                                          create the
                                                          container.
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                                                          that is that I
                                                          have observed
                                                          that to not
                                                          offer the
                                                          invitation of
                                                          the principles
                                                          and law (even
                                                          in a group of
                                                          people who
                                                          completely
                                                          know and do
                                                          Open Space) is
                                                          not inviting
                                                          presence and
                                                          possibility in
                                                          the same way.
                                                          So different
                                                          dynamics then
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                                                          these
                                                          invitations
                                                          and explaining
                                                          this process
                                                          help to create
                                                          the container,
                                                          I mean a
                                                          living,
                                                          breathing,
                                                          nutrient-rich
                                                          container,
                                                          perhaps
                                                          similar to
                                                          some
                                                          containers
                                                          like cellular
                                                          walls, a
                                                          bird's nest, a
                                                          lake, a poem,
                                                          or a wisp of
                                                          vapor… which
                                                          have some form
                                                          within which
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                                                          super-good OST
                                                          facilitators
                                                          can use more
                                                          words to
                                                          explain
                                                          things, and
                                                          some use less.
                                                          And the
                                                          experience can
                                                          be amazing. In
                                                          my
                                                          observation,
                                                          it is not the
                                                          amount of
                                                          words, it is
                                                          the complete
                                                          true
                                                          understanding
                                                          of inviting
                                                          Opening Circle
                                                          and agenda
                                                          co-creation
                                                          (which include
                                                          a brief
                                                          explanation of
                                                          principles and
                                                          law and
                                                          process), and
                                                          getting /
                                                          staying out of
                                                          the way so the
                                                          participants
                                                          can do their
                                                          own work, see
                                                          their own
                                                          patterns, feel
                                                          their own
                                                          co-leadership,
                                                          and so on.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          Lisa<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">On Sep 29, 2013, at 10:53 PM, Daniel
                Mezick <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:dan@newtechusa.net">dan@newtechusa.net</a>>

                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Lisa says:<br>
                "...<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">The other thing is that for any
                  kind of facilitation, I would not name boundaries or
                  constraints. It sets peoples' minds in the framework
                  of boundaries and constraints - rather than
                  opportunities and possibilities.<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Like 'think outside the box' - you
                are still thinking…of the box! when / because someone
                says that. "<br>
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                Dan says:<br>
                I notice that:<br>
                1/  the 1 Law and 5 Principles of OST are
                constraints-in-fact. Are they not?<br>
                2/ we are required to describe these as OST
                Facilitators; at least, according to the OST Guide.
                Right?<br>
                3/ the general idea for the Facilitator is, "the less
                said the better".  No?<br>
                <br>
                I think OST is a most wonderful game. <a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://newtechusa.net/agile/how-games-deliver-happiness-learning/">http://newtechusa.net/agile/how-games-deliver-happiness-learning/</a><br>
                <br>
                Dan<o:p></o:p></p>
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