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Or perhaps it's better to say that we're not all equally good at
utilizing our gifts. <br>
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Bui<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03/10/2013 6:13 PM, Harrison Owen
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Bui
– I would disagree. We are all and most certainly equally
gifted when it come to Opening Space... if only because no
special gifts are required except a good head and a good
heart. And I am sure you have both. I think Michael P’s
lengthy note says it all, so far as I am concerned. Opening
Space is a natural act, indeed space opens of its own accord
unless it has been firmly closed by someone who thinks they
are in charge. Even that doesn’t really change the
situation, they just think it does, but their efforts do
make our efforts more difficult. At such times, I find the
Law of Two feet particularly useful, and my two questions
(conditions) – self selection and all issues on the table –
make it clear for me when I should take a hike.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Thanks
Harrison,<br>
<br>
I think that perhaps we are not equally gifted as OS
facilitators. That said, for us more "mortal" facilitators,
not noticing some dynamic does not necessarily mean that it
isn't there. I think it for most of us, it is important to
know it is (or can be) there, whether we call it power or
something else. If I end up doing research on group
processes, OST will likely be just be one of several to be
compared.<br>
<br>
Yes, there is an interested common belief that the world can
be managed. Much of the literature in my field (Organizational
Behaviour) is about "managing" people and finding the best way
to control them (I'm generalizing and simplifying here). I
find it fascinating that in this capitalist world, where the
world supposedly is benefiting from an "efficient market",
management is still dominated by a belief based on Taylorist
and Fordist views of organization and production, something
that Stalin was an early adopter of. Why is it that when we
don't want to overly control society that we still want to
overly control organizations?<br>
<br>
I said a few years because it will take me a while before I
get past mandatory course work and comprehensive exams. :)<br>
<br>
Bui<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 02/10/2013 3:57 PM, Harrison Owen
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Bui
– I surely hope that we will be seeing you sooner than a
few years from now! And I have to say that nothing in my
experience of multiple Open Spaces, including many with
lots of CEOs, matches what you seem to be saying. To
begin with I have never seen an Open Space that didn’t
work at all three levels of “work” that I would consider
relevant. A) It works at a formal level – Folks sit in a
circle, create bulletin board, open a market place and go
to work. B) It works at a practical level – they actually
get something done which they deem to be significant. C)
It works at a continuing level – which for me means that
at the minimum, even if they never do an Open Space again,
and even if they immediately revert to their hierarchical,
bureaucratic ways they always know that it could be better
and different. I have had CEOs (and other execs) ask me if
they should participate, fearing that their presence might
be intimidating – To which my standard response is that
they should do whatever they feel comfortable doing, but
not to worry. I sometimes add that, presuming they have
some value to add, their participation would be a plus.
That usually causes a smile, and almost inevitably, active
participation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
confess I have heard tales of CEO’s who became so
threatened that they stood in the middle and essentially
told everybody what to do. In a word, they just shut off
the lights. Perhaps my prejudices have gotten the better
of me, but that doesn’t sound like a failure of Open
Space, but rather a case of exceptionally bad manners and
probably a severe personality disorder.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Perhaps
one of the reasons I have never encountered a situation
such as you describe is that I always insist on a
conversation with the Senior Folks as a condition of
contract. My friend Lisa might call this “pre-work,” but
to me it has always been a relatively short simple
conversation in which we go over a few essentials. First,
the gathering will be voluntary (voluntary self
selection). Second, all issues of concern to anybody in
the gathering will be on the table should they chose to
put them there. If I detect any problem, that would be
pretty much the end of the conversation, and my
participation in their endeavor. Truth to tell in all my
years I can only remember a single occasion where we ran
into a deal breaker. And for whatever it is worth, that
organization and those execs are now out of business. I
wonder why?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
whole question of Executive control is a fascinating one,
and should you pursue all this in your studies, you will
have a rich field. >From where I sit, the notion that
any executive could exercise the sorts of control that
many think they have, or perhaps hope they do (after all
somebody must be in charge!) is flawed to say the least.
They don’t have it, never did, and never will. The reason
is simple. Any organization, large or small, is so
enmeshed with an environment which is so fast moving,
interconnected, random and chaotic that we can’t even
think at that level. And what we can’t think, we surely
can’t control. Mission Impossible. Yes I know that there
is this hope and expectation, fostered by the multiple
business schools of the world that change can be managed,
that the future can be predicted, indeed created, that the
Plan will triumph. Lots of luck.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Maybe
"circumventing" is the wrong word. But for me the issue of
power is central. In order for OST to work, the "CEO" has to
temporarily give up some of her/his power (both procedural
and positional).<br>
<br>
I'm quite serious about this, and OST (and other group
processes) may become part of my academic research (I just
started on an PhD in Management). Maybe my contribution will
be to help make the field of Management become more open to
self-organization. :)<br>
<br>
Maybe you'll all hear back from me in a few years. :)<br>
<br>
Bui<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 02/10/2013 1:04 AM, Michael Herman
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I can't ever remember "attempting to
circumvent power dynamics," Bui. While it's quite
common when people talk about sitting in a circle they
say things like, "...the circle makes everyone equal."
I always disagree. The circle gives everyone equal
access to all the others in the circle, the markers and
paper and microphone at the center, and the bulletin
board gives everyone the same access to all of the info
that is generated. It doesn't make them equal, the ceo
has an entirely different set of skills, resources,
experiences, concerns than the new intern. But as a
facilitator, I give everyone the same job: learn and
contribute as much as you can, from wherever you are,
with whatever you have at your disposal. serve the
common purpose. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">none of this attempts or requires
any circumventing. i think ost works in spite of
whatever the power structure might be, once people
show up. maybe the invitation tweaks the power
structure -- but if the invite comes from the top,
then it's the top giving power away -- hardly a
circumvention, and certainly not the facilitator
attempting. if the invite bubbles up from somewhere
below, then it's the lower ranks claiming power for
themselves. so i think any shifting of power arises
because invitation exists as an option, not because
anything we do in the process of 'opening space.' i
think ost is just one way of pointing out that
invitation is possible and the ost story is pretty
much the same in all kinds of different "power"
distributions. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">or maybe i just don't understand.
what do you do to notice and recognize power
imbalances? and how have you seen this improve the
ost experience for people? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Bui
Petersen <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bui.petersen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bui.petersen@gmail.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Michael, I guess we'll have to
disagree. I see OST's temporal attempt at
circumventing power dynamics (e.g through the the
empowered of the the law of two feet) as one of the
beauties of the process. <br>
<br>
One of the reasons that the liberal view of market
economics is problematic is that it doesn't account
for power imbalances. While you can't take away all
structural power, I think the OST experience can be
enhanced by at least some awareness and recognition
of such powers.<span style="color:#888888"><br>
<br>
<span class="hoenzb">Bui</span></span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">i don't think ost is
trying to "take away structural power," bui
-- not even temporarily. i think it's more
about acknowledging the distribution of
knowledge and choice (power) that already
exists. the law of two feet isn't something
special we enact at the start of an event,
it's something we just notice and point out,
for instance. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at
10:21 AM, Bui Petersen <<a
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discussion. When I have described OST,
some people have been skeptical as it to
them has has sounded to "neo-liberal"
and not taking power balances enough
into consideration. Obviously what the
"structure" of OST is trying to do is to
take away structural power temporarily.
But some people are still skeptical
about OST's potential to do this. My own
take is that OST does not always fully
succeed in this regard. <br>
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Still it is very interesting
theoretically. Both there is a lot of
other (than economics) theoretical
perspectives that better deal with
power.<span style="color:#888888"><br>
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5:33 PM, Michael Herman wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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concerns, Jeff, but found this
piece to be mostly not about
politics. And where he comments
on current views and policy, I was
less bothered by what he was
saying than by my tendency to
agree in many cases. But mostly
this is interesting and useful
totally separate from his
politics, I think. <br>
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On Thursday, September 26, 2013,
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unfortunate that I have a
lingering dislike for Mr.
Gilder, who was famous for
awhile around 1981 when the
Reagan administration rolled out
its economic agenda, and his
work was considered one of its
intellectual pillars.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Twas a long
time ago, and no doubt the man
remains a hard thinker and clear
writer, perhaps with more heart
than I experienced back then.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">With that
caveat, I'll dig into this when
I have a chance. Thanks for
sharing.<o:p></o:p></p>
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26, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Michael
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<p><span
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a long one,
friends… But maybe
an important one.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">What
follows is an
excerpt from a
markets newsletter
I've read for
maybe 10 years by
a financial expert
and best-selling
author Named John
Mauldin. He
describes and then
shares an article
by a guy named
George Gilder, Who
seems to have been
writing
"important" books
for at least a few
decades. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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