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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Bui – I would disagree. We are all and most certainly equally gifted when it come to Opening Space... if only because no special gifts are required except a good head and a good heart. And I am sure you have both. I think Michael P’s lengthy note says it all, so far as I am concerned. Opening Space is a natural act, indeed space opens of its own accord unless it has been firmly closed by someone who thinks they are in charge. Even that doesn’t really change the situation, they just think it does, but their efforts do make our efforts more difficult. At such times, I find the Law of Two feet particularly useful, and my two questions (conditions) – self selection and all issues on the table – make it clear for me when I should take a hike.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Harrison<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Harrison Owen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>7808 River Falls Dr.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Potomac, MD 20854<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>USA<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Camden, Maine 04843<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Phone 301-365-2093<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(summer) 207-763-3261<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="www.openspaceworld.com%20"><span style='color:blue'>www.openspaceworld.com</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="www.ho-image.com%20"><span style='color:blue'>www.ho-image.com</span></a> (Personal Website)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'>To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to:<a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org"><span style='color:blue'>http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org [mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bui Petersen<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 03, 2013 1:59 PM<br><b>To:</b> World wide Open Space Technology email list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] Open Space Economics? Be Prepared to be Surprised!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Thanks Harrison,<br><br>I think that perhaps we are not equally gifted as OS facilitators. That said, for us more "mortal" facilitators, not noticing some dynamic does not necessarily mean that it isn't there. I think it for most of us, it is important to know it is (or can be) there, whether we call it power or something else. If I end up doing research on group processes, OST will likely be just be one of several to be compared.<br><br>Yes, there is an interested common belief that the world can be managed. Much of the literature in my field (Organizational Behaviour) is about "managing" people and finding the best way to control them (I'm generalizing and simplifying here). I find it fascinating that in this capitalist world, where the world supposedly is benefiting from an "efficient market", management is still dominated by a belief based on Taylorist and Fordist views of organization and production, something that Stalin was an early adopter of. Why is it that when we don't want to overly control society that we still want to overly control organizations?<br><br>I said a few years because it will take me a while before I get past mandatory course work and comprehensive exams. :)<br><br>Bui<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 02/10/2013 3:57 PM, Harrison Owen wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Bui – I surely hope that we will be seeing you sooner than a few years from now! And I have to say that nothing in my experience of multiple Open Spaces, including many with lots of CEOs, matches what you seem to be saying. To begin with I have never seen an Open Space that didn’t work at all three levels of “work” that I would consider relevant. A) It works at a formal level – Folks sit in a circle, create bulletin board, open a market place and go to work. B) It works at a practical level – they actually get something done which they deem to be significant. C) It works at a continuing level – which for me means that at the minimum, even if they never do an Open Space again, and even if they immediately revert to their hierarchical, bureaucratic ways they always know that it could be better and different. I have had CEOs (and other execs) ask me if they should participate, fearing that their presence might be intimidating – To which my standard response is that they should do whatever they feel comfortable doing, but not to worry. I sometimes add that, presuming they have some value to add, their participation would be a plus. That usually causes a smile, and almost inevitably, active participation.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I confess I have heard tales of CEO’s who became so threatened that they stood in the middle and essentially told everybody what to do. In a word, they just shut off the lights. Perhaps my prejudices have gotten the better of me, but that doesn’t sound like a failure of Open Space, but rather a case of exceptionally bad manners and probably a severe personality disorder.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Perhaps one of the reasons I have never encountered a situation such as you describe is that I always insist on a conversation with the Senior Folks as a condition of contract. My friend Lisa might call this “pre-work,” but to me it has always been a relatively short simple conversation in which we go over a few essentials. First, the gathering will be voluntary (voluntary self selection). Second, all issues of concern to anybody in the gathering will be on the table should they chose to put them there. If I detect any problem, that would be pretty much the end of the conversation, and my participation in their endeavor. Truth to tell in all my years I can only remember a single occasion where we ran into a deal breaker. And for whatever it is worth, that organization and those execs are now out of business. I wonder why?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The whole question of Executive control is a fascinating one, and should you pursue all this in your studies, you will have a rich field. >From where I sit, the notion that any executive could exercise the sorts of control that many think they have, or perhaps hope they do (after all somebody must be in charge!) is flawed to say the least. They don’t have it, never did, and never will. The reason is simple. Any organization, large or small, is so enmeshed with an environment which is so fast moving, interconnected, random and chaotic that we can’t even think at that level. And what we can’t think, we surely can’t control. Mission Impossible. Yes I know that there is this hope and expectation, fostered by the multiple business schools of the world that change can be managed, that the future can be predicted, indeed created, that the Plan will triumph. Lots of luck.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Harrison</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Harrison Owen</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>7808 River Falls Dr.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Potomac, MD 20854</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>USA</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Camden, Maine 04843</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Phone 301-365-2093</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(summer) 207-763-3261</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="www.openspaceworld.com%20">www.openspaceworld.com</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="www.ho-image.com%20">www.ho-image.com</a> (Personal Website)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'>To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to:<a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a> [<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bui Petersen<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:23 AM<br><b>To:</b> World wide Open Space Technology email list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] Open Space Economics? Be Prepared to be Surprised!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Maybe "circumventing" is the wrong word. But for me the issue of power is central. In order for OST to work, the "CEO" has to temporarily give up some of her/his power (both procedural and positional).<br><br>I'm quite serious about this, and OST (and other group processes) may become part of my academic research (I just started on an PhD in Management). Maybe my contribution will be to help make the field of Management become more open to self-organization. :)<br><br>Maybe you'll all hear back from me in a few years. :)<br><br>Bui<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 02/10/2013 1:04 AM, Michael Herman wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>I can't ever remember "attempting to circumvent power dynamics," Bui. While it's quite common when people talk about sitting in a circle they say things like, "...the circle makes everyone equal." I always disagree. The circle gives everyone equal access to all the others in the circle, the markers and paper and microphone at the center, and the bulletin board gives everyone the same access to all of the info that is generated. It doesn't make them equal, the ceo has an entirely different set of skills, resources, experiences, concerns than the new intern. But as a facilitator, I give everyone the same job: learn and contribute as much as you can, from wherever you are, with whatever you have at your disposal. serve the common purpose. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>none of this attempts or requires any circumventing. i think ost works in spite of whatever the power structure might be, once people show up. maybe the invitation tweaks the power structure -- but if the invite comes from the top, then it's the top giving power away -- hardly a circumvention, and certainly not the facilitator attempting. if the invite bubbles up from somewhere below, then it's the lower ranks claiming power for themselves. so i think any shifting of power arises because invitation exists as an option, not because anything we do in the process of 'opening space.' i think ost is just one way of pointing out that invitation is possible and the ost story is pretty much the same in all kinds of different "power" distributions. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>or maybe i just don't understand. what do you do to notice and recognize power imbalances? and how have you seen this improve the ost experience for people? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>m<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <br>--<br><br>Michael Herman<br>Michael Herman Associates<br>312-280-7838 (mobile)<br><br><a href="http://MichaelHerman.com" target="_blank">http://MichaelHerman.com</a><br><a href="http://OpenSpaceWorld.org" target="_blank">http://OpenSpaceWorld.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Bui Petersen <<a href="mailto:bui.petersen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bui.petersen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Michael, I guess we'll have to disagree. I see OST's temporal attempt at circumventing power dynamics (e.g through the the empowered of the the law of two feet) as one of the beauties of the process. <br><br>One of the reasons that the liberal view of market economics is problematic is that it doesn't account for power imbalances. While you can't take away all structural power, I think the OST experience can be enhanced by at least some awareness and recognition of such powers.<span style='color:#888888'><br><br><span class=hoenzb>Bui</span></span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 30/09/2013 10:56 PM, Michael Herman wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>i don't think ost is trying to "take away structural power," bui -- not even temporarily. i think it's more about acknowledging the distribution of knowledge and choice (power) that already exists. the law of two feet isn't something special we enact at the start of an event, it's something we just notice and point out, for instance. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>m <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <br>--<br><br>Michael Herman<br>Michael Herman Associates<br><a href="tel:312-280-7838" target="_blank">312-280-7838</a> (mobile)<br><br><a href="http://MichaelHerman.com" target="_blank">http://MichaelHerman.com</a><br><a href="http://OpenSpaceWorld.org" target="_blank">http://OpenSpaceWorld.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Bui Petersen <<a href="mailto:bui.petersen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bui.petersen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Interesting discussion. When I have described OST, some people have been skeptical as it to them has has sounded to "neo-liberal" and not taking power balances enough into consideration. Obviously what the "structure" of OST is trying to do is to take away structural power temporarily. But some people are still skeptical about OST's potential to do this. My own take is that OST does not always fully succeed in this regard. <br><br>Still it is very interesting theoretically. Both there is a lot of other (than economics) theoretical perspectives that better deal with power.<span style='color:#888888'><br><br>Bui</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 26/09/2013 5:33 PM, Michael Herman wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I share your concerns, Jeff, but found this piece to be mostly not about politics. And where he comments on current views and policy, I was less bothered by what he was saying than by my tendency to agree in many cases. But mostly this is interesting and useful totally separate from his politics, I think. <br><br>On Thursday, September 26, 2013, Jeff Aitken wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>thanks Michael! <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It's unfortunate that I have a lingering dislike for Mr. Gilder, who was famous for awhile around 1981 when the Reagan administration rolled out its economic agenda, and his work was considered one of its intellectual pillars.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Twas a long time ago, and no doubt the man remains a hard thinker and clear writer, perhaps with more heart than I experienced back then.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>With that caveat, I'll dig into this when I have a chance. Thanks for sharing.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Jeff<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>San Francisco<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Michael Herman <<a href="mailto:michael@michaelherman.com">michael@michaelherman.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Here's a long one, friends… But maybe an important one.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>What follows is an excerpt from a markets newsletter I've read for maybe 10 years by a financial expert and best-selling author Named John Mauldin. 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