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Thanks Harrison,<br>
<br>
I think that perhaps we are not equally gifted as OS facilitators.
That said, for us more "mortal" facilitators, not noticing some
dynamic does not necessarily mean that it isn't there. I think it
for most of us, it is important to know it is (or can be) there,
whether we call it power or something else. If I end up doing
research on group processes, OST will likely be just be one of
several to be compared.<br>
<br>
Yes, there is an interested common belief that the world can be
managed. Much of the literature in my field (Organizational
Behaviour) is about "managing" people and finding the best way to
control them (I'm generalizing and simplifying here). I find it
fascinating that in this capitalist world, where the world
supposedly is benefiting from an "efficient market", management is
still dominated by a belief based on Taylorist and Fordist views of
organization and production, something that Stalin was an early
adopter of. Why is it that when we don't want to overly control
society that we still want to overly control organizations?<br>
<br>
I said a few years because it will take me a while before I get past
mandatory course work and comprehensive exams. :)<br>
<br>
Bui<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Bui
– I surely hope that we will be seeing you sooner than a few
years from now! And I have to say that nothing in my
experience of multiple Open Spaces, including many with lots
of CEOs, matches what you seem to be saying. To begin with
I have never seen an Open Space that didn’t work at all
three levels of “work” that I would consider relevant. A) It
works at a formal level – Folks sit in a circle, create
bulletin board, open a market place and go to work. B) It
works at a practical level – they actually get something
done which they deem to be significant. C) It works at a
continuing level – which for me means that at the minimum,
even if they never do an Open Space again, and even if they
immediately revert to their hierarchical, bureaucratic ways
they always know that it could be better and different. I
have had CEOs (and other execs) ask me if they should
participate, fearing that their presence might be
intimidating – To which my standard response is that they
should do whatever they feel comfortable doing, but not to
worry. I sometimes add that, presuming they have some value
to add, their participation would be a plus. That usually
causes a smile, and almost inevitably, active participation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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confess I have heard tales of CEO’s who became so threatened
that they stood in the middle and essentially told everybody
what to do. In a word, they just shut off the lights.
Perhaps my prejudices have gotten the better of me, but that
doesn’t sound like a failure of Open Space, but rather a
case of exceptionally bad manners and probably a severe
personality disorder.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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one of the reasons I have never encountered a situation such
as you describe is that I always insist on a conversation
with the Senior Folks as a condition of contract. My friend
Lisa might call this “pre-work,” but to me it has always
been a relatively short simple conversation in which we go
over a few essentials. First, the gathering will be
voluntary (voluntary self selection). Second, all issues of
concern to anybody in the gathering will be on the table
should they chose to put them there. If I detect any
problem, that would be pretty much the end of the
conversation, and my participation in their endeavor. Truth
to tell in all my years I can only remember a single
occasion where we ran into a deal breaker. And for whatever
it is worth, that organization and those execs are now out
of business. I wonder why?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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whole question of Executive control is a fascinating one,
and should you pursue all this in your studies, you will
have a rich field. >From where I sit, the notion that
any executive could exercise the sorts of control that many
think they have, or perhaps hope they do (after all somebody
must be in charge!) is flawed to say the least. They don’t
have it, never did, and never will. The reason is simple.
Any organization, large or small, is so enmeshed with an
environment which is so fast moving, interconnected, random
and chaotic that we can’t even think at that level. And what
we can’t think, we surely can’t control. Mission Impossible.
Yes I know that there is this hope and expectation,
fostered by the multiple business schools of the world that
change can be managed, that the future can be predicted,
indeed created, that the Plan will triumph. Lots of luck.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:23 AM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Maybe
"circumventing" is the wrong word. But for me the issue of
power is central. In order for OST to work, the "CEO" has to
temporarily give up some of her/his power (both procedural and
positional).<br>
<br>
I'm quite serious about this, and OST (and other group
processes) may become part of my academic research (I just
started on an PhD in Management). Maybe my contribution will
be to help make the field of Management become more open to
self-organization. :)<br>
<br>
Maybe you'll all hear back from me in a few years. :)<br>
<br>
Bui<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 02/10/2013 1:04 AM, Michael Herman
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I can't ever remember "attempting to
circumvent power dynamics," Bui. While it's quite common
when people talk about sitting in a circle they say things
like, "...the circle makes everyone equal." I always
disagree. The circle gives everyone equal access to all
the others in the circle, the markers and paper and
microphone at the center, and the bulletin board gives
everyone the same access to all of the info that is
generated. It doesn't make them equal, the ceo has an
entirely different set of skills, resources, experiences,
concerns than the new intern. But as a facilitator, I
give everyone the same job: learn and contribute as much
as you can, from wherever you are, with whatever you have
at your disposal. serve the common purpose. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">none of this attempts or requires any
circumventing. i think ost works in spite of whatever
the power structure might be, once people show up.
maybe the invitation tweaks the power structure -- but
if the invite comes from the top, then it's the top
giving power away -- hardly a circumvention, and
certainly not the facilitator attempting. if the invite
bubbles up from somewhere below, then it's the lower
ranks claiming power for themselves. so i think any
shifting of power arises because invitation exists as an
option, not because anything we do in the process of
'opening space.' i think ost is just one way of
pointing out that invitation is possible and the ost
story is pretty much the same in all kinds of different
"power" distributions. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">or maybe i just don't understand.
what do you do to notice and recognize power
imbalances? and how have you seen this improve the ost
experience for people? <o:p></o:p></p>
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--<br>
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Michael Herman Associates<br>
312-280-7838 (mobile)<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Bui
Petersen <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bui.petersen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bui.petersen@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Michael, I guess we'll have to
disagree. I see OST's temporal attempt at
circumventing power dynamics (e.g through the the
empowered of the the law of two feet) as one of the
beauties of the process. <br>
<br>
One of the reasons that the liberal view of market
economics is problematic is that it doesn't account
for power imbalances. While you can't take away all
structural power, I think the OST experience can be
enhanced by at least some awareness and recognition of
such powers.<span style="color:#888888"><br>
<br>
<span class="hoenzb">Bui</span></span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 30/09/2013 10:56 PM,
Michael Herman wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">i don't think ost is trying
to "take away structural power," bui -- not
even temporarily. i think it's more about
acknowledging the distribution of knowledge
and choice (power) that already exists. the
law of two feet isn't something special we
enact at the start of an event, it's something
we just notice and point out, for instance.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<br>
Michael Herman<br>
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(mobile)<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at
10:21 AM, Bui Petersen <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bui.petersen@gmail.com"
target="_blank">bui.petersen@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Interesting discussion.
When I have described OST, some people
have been skeptical as it to them has has
sounded to "neo-liberal" and not taking
power balances enough into consideration.
Obviously what the "structure" of OST is
trying to do is to take away structural
power temporarily. But some people are
still skeptical about OST's potential to
do this. My own take is that OST does not
always fully succeed in this regard. <br>
<br>
Still it is very interesting
theoretically. Both there is a lot of
other (than economics) theoretical
perspectives that better deal with power.<span
style="color:#888888"><br>
<br>
Bui</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 26/09/2013
5:33 PM, Michael Herman wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I share your
concerns, Jeff, but found this piece
to be mostly not about politics.
And where he comments on current
views and policy, I was less
bothered by what he was saying than
by my tendency to agree in many
cases. But mostly this is
interesting and useful totally
separate from his politics, I
think. <br>
<br>
On Thursday, September 26, 2013,
Jeff Aitken wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">thanks Michael!
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It's
unfortunate that I have a
lingering dislike for Mr. Gilder,
who was famous for awhile around
1981 when the Reagan
administration rolled out its
economic agenda, and his work was
considered one of its intellectual
pillars.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Twas a long
time ago, and no doubt the man
remains a hard thinker and clear
writer, perhaps with more heart
than I experienced back then.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">With that
caveat, I'll dig into this when I
have a chance. Thanks for sharing.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jeff<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">San
Francisco<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Sep 26,
2013 at 12:25 PM, Michael Herman
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michael@michaelherman.com">michael@michaelherman.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Here's
a long one, friends…
But maybe an
important one.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">What
follows is an
excerpt from a
markets newsletter
I've read for maybe
10 years by a
financial expert and
best-selling author
Named John Mauldin.
He describes and
then shares an
article by a guy
named George Gilder,
Who seems to have
been writing
"important" books
for at least a few
decades. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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target="_blank">(312) 280-7838</a>
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