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Harrison says:<br>
"...<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">In
a “face off” between a well functioning self-organizing system and
any process we might have designed to create the system, install
the system, or enhance the system – the designed process doesn’t
have a chance."<br>
<br>
Dan says:<br>
Hell, yes! <br>
<br>
To be 100% clear, Open Agile Adoption (OAA) favors an INVITE
(which makes self-organizing simple) over a MANDATE (which makes
self-organizing nearly impossible).<br>
<br>
It's literally "no contest". The invite is superior in every way.
And by this I mean, efficient, useful, effective. Human! The
"what" (in this case Agile) really is just a contextual detail.
The "how" (that is, the human-centered and sincere invitation that
OST represents) is the real name of the game. <br>
<br>
As a meeting format, Open Space is nothing without the invite (and
in fact, is likely quite dead-on-arrival without it.)<br>
<br>
Further, and to Michael's point, OST is not a mere tool, it is a
practice. And of exactly what type is this practice? <br>
<br>
My current belief is that certain aspects of spiritual life do
manifest in private, org-specific Open Space events. I feel
feelings of privilege and something sacred going on at some of
these private OST events. And so I think I must now assert: I
believe Open Space is at the core a spiritual practice. I have
written about liminality and do think liminality is a kind of
collectiive (not just individual) spiritual condition, that orgs
do experience this condition together (often, as grief) and that
Open Space does a wonderful job of creating a point at which
things can tip from liminality and despair to some new order of
things, and hope. <br>
<br>
Lastly, I must reiterate that in Open Agile Adoption, the goal is
to institute a recurring, open, cultural event on the
organization's calendar. The suggestion (not a mandate) in OAA is
to schedule an Open Space event of at least 1 day in January and
July. This idea is a page from the cultural playbook described in
SPIRIT, which discusses the high cultural value of a recurring
cultural holiday. Such holidays are anticipated by the group, and
serve to remind members of what they value, and remind them about
"the story", which is how we make sense of things in groups.<br>
<br>
And so, when Harrison says:<br>
</span><br>
<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">"...So
maybe the order of precedence should go the other way? Use Agile
to introduce Open Space, and then abolish Agile. Or, if you like
... Self-Organization is the natural agility. It doesn’t get any
better than that. "<br>
<br>
My reply is:<br>
"Hell yes!"<br>
<br>
</span></span><span
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<br>
Dan<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/27/13 9:31 PM, Michael Herman
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote
cite="mid:CAD8j=QH98DEbqD5Q2WkRuRy2QR3ycctZwx092RfCAs8J5RG7+Q@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">I learned this phrase in the context of meditation,
Arno. I've heard meditation teachers say about meditation practice
that if we just "do the practice" we'll get the results… usually
this is in contrast to simply talking about the practice or
listening to teachings. This is akin to saying "anyone with a good
head and good heart can do open space…" anyone who does the
practice can get the same results that os teachers/practitioners,
from harrison onward, have gotten. Does this help?<span></span>
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On Friday, September 27, 2013, Arno Baltin wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi!<br>
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I like this conversation about what OS is. And this
practice notion is a bit complicated. I as non Enlgish
speaker I looked for the meanings of the word and got
confused. Could you Michael say it in other words what you
mean that OS is practice (first of all). Especially when I
read "do the practice" I cant understand the meaning.<br>
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Be well,<br>
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<div dir="ltr">When I hear folks simplifying open space
into a tool or technique, my usual response is to
point out that circle is a tool, bulletin board is a
tool, etc. Open Space is a <i>practice</i>,
incorporating a number of these different tools. And
hopefully, my use of them together is getting more and
more skillful over time. To me, "practice" includes
the suggestion that we do it once, as best we can, and
then we try again, and again, learning and refining as
we go.
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<div>My felt sense of this is a little different from
"values and principles" though I don't think calling
OS or agile or scrum that is incorrect. For me the
difference is that I hold values and principles, but
practice is something that <i>holds me</i>.
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<div>I also like to suggest that open space is a
robust practice, a sufficient practice.
Everything that's needed is there in the basic
story and mechanisms. We don't need to do
anything more, add in different things. Just do
the practice and we get the experience, get the
learning, the performance, the self-organizing,
the breathing.</div>
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<div>Thanks for your story, Harold.</div>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Harold,
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<div>Thanks for bringing your knowledgable
and eloquent perspective. </div>
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<div>Great to see these two communities
working through an understanding of each
other. With you and others as
translators, I think Agile is in good
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<div>On Sep 23, 2013, at 7:53 AM,
Harold Shinsato <<a
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<div>Harrison,<br>
<br>
About your statement "Open
Space is a terrible way to
introduce some new process,
and especially to assure
'buy in'".<br>
<br>
You're clearing going
directly against the heart
of what Dan is trying to
promote. Maybe I invite
disaster for myself by
speaking an alternative view
from what you are saying
given your founding status
of this community - but
perhaps given my 12+ years
working in the Agile space -
I have something worthwhile
to say.<br>
<br>
Harrison, you've been
opposed to calling "Open
Space" a tool. And I hear
Lisa Heft (the best Open
Space trainer) talking about
it being a tool all the
time.<br>
<br>
I agree with both of you.
Open Space is most
emphatically *not* a tool at
it's heart. It's a set of
values and principles. But
it is also definitely a
tool. Or as Dan says, a
'game'. A beautifully
designed game.<br>
<br>
Agile is most DEFINITELY not
a process. It's a set of
values and principles. You
can see this in the <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://agilemanifesto.org/"
target="_blank">Agile
Manifesto</a> - especially
the first item, we value
Individuals and Interactions
*over* Processes and Tools.
Yes, the Agile community
applies many very specific
tools and processes. And
very heated debates happen
around the application (or
misapplication) of those
tools and processes, such as
Scrum.<br>
<br>
But oddly - even Scrum isn't
*Really* a tool or a
process. At the heart of
Scrum is also a set of
principles and values. If
you want to get a sense of
this - go to the end of the
first book on Scrum, by
Schwaber & Beedle "Agile
Software Development with
Scrum" - where it lists the
5 values of Scrum -
Commitment, Focus, Openness,
Respect & Courage. Or
read Tobias Meyer's "The
People's Scrum". Very
powerful assertion and
meditation on the core
values and how to apply the
processes to get <br>
<br>
Open Space has already been
used with great success to
introduce, promote and
sustain Agile in the world
through many uses of Open
Space in conferences such as
the AgileOpen, Coaching
Camps, and Open Agile
Adoption such as what Dan
Mezick is explaining. From
my vantage point, Open Space
is critical for helping the
values and principles to be
successfully absorbed.<br>
<br>
From my vantage point - Open
Space Technology's values
and principles are eternal
and aren't going away. The
Universe won't suddenly stop
self-organizing. If
anything, we'll only get
better at understanding and
dancing with Order and
Chaos. This dance, with the
help of Open Space
Technology the Game (or
Tool) has changed my life
and infused it with spirit.
I'm eternally grateful to
you, Harrison, to Lisa Heft,
and to and this community.
And maybe Open Space
Technology the game or tool
will pass away. The same
goes for Agile values and
principles. They're eternal.
They're not going away. The
Process will never be more
important than the
Individuals. The People are
always more important than
the Game.<br>
<br>
BUT - there are powerful
forces behind trying to
adopt agile as merely a tool
or a process, because it's
easier to understand. And
that invites failure - and
it's the exact kind of
failure you're writing
about, Harrison, about how
our creations are
"inevitably clunky." To
succeed, any implementation
of Agile or Scrum needs to
be able to self-organize -
"Inspect and Adapt" is one
of the anthems of the agile
and scrum communities. I
hope that the Open Space
community will step up and
help the Agile community to
do that.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Harold<br>
<br>
<br>
On 9/22/13 10:45 AM,
Harrison Owen wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Dan
wrote: “I've learned
that there are
actually more ways to
fail with Open Space
in Agile adoptions
than there are ways to
succeed. There are
many ways to stumble
when trying this.”</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Actually,
Dan – I am not at all
surprised. I learned a
long time ago that
Open Space is a
terrible way to
introduce some new
process, and
especially to assure
“buy in.” Typically,
problems arise because
folks take Open Space
seriously. Instead of
buying into the
proposed process, they
begin to invent their
own! Somewhere I wrote
that OS was a great
way to design a new
accounting system, but
a horrible way to
“implement” it.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">And
just to be
contrarian... I wonder
whether the failure is
a function of Open
Space or Agile (and/or
the SCRUM flavor of
Agile)? As I think we
have come to
understand, Open Space
is a total scam if
people mistake it for
some process we
invented or “do.” It
is simply an
invitation to be what
we always have been –
self organizing. The
process itself (SO)
has been around for
some time, and
apparently has done
quite well, witness
the fact that we,
along with all the
rest of the Cosmos are
here and seemingly
functional. In a “face
off” between a well
functioning
self-organizing system
and any process we
might have designed to
create the system,
install the system, or
enhance the system –
the designed process
doesn’t have a chance.
The reason is simple.
No matter how wise,
careful, diligent or
skillful we may be –
our creation is
inevitably clunky. We
may get the big blocks
right, even some of
the finer points, but
at the end of the day
we always miss the
nuances – and as
always, the devil is
in the details. Put
somewhat differently,
our designed processes
are always “averages”
of what we think the
process should look
like. And “averages”
do not exist anywhere
in nature. To push an
“average” on a natural
system is always to
make it function at
some sub-optimal
level, and usually to
kill it.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">So
maybe the order of
precedence should go
the other way? Use
Agile to introduce
Open Space, and then
abolish Agile. Or, if
you like ...
Self-Organization is
the natural agility.
It doesn’t get any
better than that. Or
something</span></p>
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Greetings
to you,<br>
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In Paris this week at
the Global Scrum
Gathering I plan to
issue certain warning
about specific failure
patterns I have
experienced when working
with Open Space inside
Agile adoptions. I can
tell you right now that
Open Space by itself is
not a panacea for the
complex problems
associated with Agile
adoption. <br>
<br>
Agile is actually a
cover story about the
wider act of bringing
culture change (a new
and unfamiliar game) to
an enterprise situation
(the old story we all
want to cling to). The
SPIRIT book pretty much
spells out the problem.
<br>
<br>
I've learned that there
are actually more ways
to fail with Open Space
in Agile adoptions than
there are ways to
succeed. There are many
ways to stumble when
trying this. I'll be
enumerating some of
these subtle
Agile-related pitfalls
and traps in the Paris
keynote on Tuesday, and
in upcoming blog posts.
Simply holding one or
more canonical Open
Space meetings (with
full pre-planning and
post processing) is not
enough to neutralize the
forces that oppose
healthy and well Agile
adoptions. The game
mechanics, storytelling
and
passage-rite-structure
elements must be present
and robust for Open
Space to be an effective
tool in Agile adoptions.
Open Space and these
elements are composed in
harmony with each other
in the Open Agile
Adoption technique.<br>
<br>
If you offer training in
Open Space for
Facilitators and/or
Sponsors, I invite you
to send me your links
and I will make sure
they are added to the
list of resources I am
beginning to compile at
<a
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I plan to list in the
Paris slides some
specific French-language
OST course offerings
from French-speaking
instructors located in
Europe, and Quebec.<br>
<br>
Kind Regards,<br>
Dan</p>
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