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      <p style="margin-bottom: 0cm"><big><font face="Liberation Sans,
            sans-serif"><font size="2"><big>Dear
                Lisa</big></font></font></big></p>
      <p style="margin-bottom: 0cm"><big><font face="Liberation Sans,
            sans-serif"><font size="2"><big>I
                completely share your view concerning this subject!</big></font></font></big></p>
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      </big>
      <p style="margin-bottom: 0cm"><big><font face="Liberation Sans,
            sans-serif"><font size="2"><big>The
                laws and principals make up the fundamental right of
                human
                selforganization and aren´t restricting in any way.</big></font></font></big></p>
      <big>
      </big>
      <p style="margin-bottom: 0cm"><big><font face="Liberation Sans,
            sans-serif"><font size="2"><big>Even
                though the word law implicits a kind of restriction i
                have to point
                out that if u read it carefully you should come to the
                conclusion
                that this law is here to protect the right of human
                selforganization.</big></font></font></big></p>
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      <p style="margin-bottom: 0cm"><big><font face="Liberation Sans,
            sans-serif"><font size="2"><big>I
                only have to be part of a Roundtable as long as i
                feel/like to.</big></font></font></big></p>
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      <p style="margin-bottom: 0cm"><big><font face="Liberation Sans,
            sans-serif"><font size="2"><big>The
                principals represent nothing more than the freedom to
                accept an
                invitation to meet with others to talk about a certain
                topic.<br>
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                  <font size="2"><big>horst<br>
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      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">stegmayergasse 23
    1120 wien
     austria

 tel +436643368757
    +4318022272</pre>
      Am 30.09.2013 09:22, schrieb Lisa Heft:<br>
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                                                          <div>Dan - I
                                                          have taken the
                                                          liberty of
                                                          adjusting the
                                                          title of this
                                                          topic to more
                                                          closely fit
                                                          the changed
                                                          content.</div>
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                                                          <div>And: I
                                                          look forward
                                                          to hearing how
                                                          others
                                                          respond…</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>1/ I see
                                                          the Law and
                                                          Principles and
                                                          *invitations*
                                                          not as
                                                          constraints.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>2/ And
                                                          not 'required'
                                                          as in - some
                                                          of us do not
                                                          use the 5th
                                                          Principle at
                                                          all. However,
                                                          the saying,
                                                          inviting and
                                                          simple
                                                          explanation of
                                                          these
                                                          invitations
                                                          help to create
                                                          the structure
                                                          (as there is a
                                                          structure,
                                                          just not the
                                                          structure that
                                                          a lot of
                                                          people have
                                                          experienced in
                                                          meetings) / to
                                                          create the
                                                          container.
                                                          What I mean by
                                                          that is that I
                                                          have observed
                                                          that to not
                                                          offer the
                                                          invitation of
                                                          the principles
                                                          and law (even
                                                          in a group of
                                                          people who
                                                          completely
                                                          know and do
                                                          Open Space) is
                                                          not inviting
                                                          presence and
                                                          possibility in
                                                          the same way.
                                                          So different
                                                          dynamics then
                                                          occur.</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>And in
                                                          saying that
                                                          offering these
                                                          invitations
                                                          and explaining
                                                          this process
                                                          help to create
                                                          the container,
                                                          I mean a
                                                          living,
                                                          breathing,
                                                          nutrient-rich
                                                          container,
                                                          perhaps
                                                          similar to
                                                          some
                                                          containers
                                                          like cellular
                                                          walls, a
                                                          bird's nest, a
                                                          lake, a poem,
                                                          or a wisp of
                                                          vapor… which
                                                          have some form
                                                          within which
                                                          there is
                                                          flow. </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>3/ I
                                                          notice that
                                                          some
                                                          super-good OST
                                                          facilitators
                                                          can use more
                                                          words to
                                                          explain
                                                          things, and
                                                          some use less.
                                                          And the
                                                          experience can
                                                          be amazing. In
                                                          my
                                                          observation,
                                                          it is not the
                                                          amount of
                                                          words, it is
                                                          the complete
                                                          true
                                                          understanding
                                                          of inviting
                                                          Opening Circle
                                                          and agenda
                                                          co-creation
                                                          (which include
                                                          a brief
                                                          explanation of
                                                          principles and
                                                          law and
                                                          process), and
                                                          getting /
                                                          staying out of
                                                          the way so the
                                                          participants
                                                          can do their
                                                          own work, see
                                                          their own
                                                          patterns, feel
                                                          their own
                                                          co-leadership,
                                                          and so on.  </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>What do
                                                          others think?</div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Lisa</div>
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        <div>On Sep 29, 2013, at 10:53 PM, Daniel Mezick <<a
            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:dan@newtechusa.net">dan@newtechusa.net</a>>
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          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Lisa says:<br>
            "...<br>
            <div>The other thing is that for any kind of facilitation, I
              would not name boundaries or constraints. It sets peoples'
              minds in the framework of boundaries and constraints -
              rather than opportunities and possibilities.</div>
            Like 'think outside the box' - you are still thinking…of the
            box! when / because someone says that. "<br>
            <br>
            Dan says:<br>
            I notice that:<br>
            1/  the 1 Law and 5 Principles of OST are
            constraints-in-fact. Are they not?<br>
            2/ we are required to describe these as OST Facilitators; at
            least, according to the OST Guide. Right?<br>
            3/ the general idea for the Facilitator is, "the less said
            the better".  No?<br>
            <br>
            I think OST is a most wonderful game. <a
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              href="http://newtechusa.net/agile/how-games-deliver-happiness-learning/">http://newtechusa.net/agile/how-games-deliver-happiness-learning/</a><br>
            <br>
            Dan<br>
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