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<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm"><big><font face="Liberation Sans,
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Lisa</big></font></font></big></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm"><big><font face="Liberation Sans,
sans-serif"><font size="2"><big>I
completely share your view concerning this subject!</big></font></font></big></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm"><big><font face="Liberation Sans,
sans-serif"><font size="2"><big>The
laws and principals make up the fundamental right of
human
selforganization and aren´t restricting in any way.</big></font></font></big></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm"><big><font face="Liberation Sans,
sans-serif"><font size="2"><big>Even
though the word law implicits a kind of restriction i
have to point
out that if u read it carefully you should come to the
conclusion
that this law is here to protect the right of human
selforganization.</big></font></font></big></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm"><big><font face="Liberation Sans,
sans-serif"><font size="2"><big>I
only have to be part of a Roundtable as long as i
feel/like to.</big></font></font></big></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm"><big><font face="Liberation Sans,
sans-serif"><font size="2"><big>The
principals represent nothing more than the freedom to
accept an
invitation to meet with others to talk about a certain
topic.<br>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm"><big><font face="Liberation Sans,
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<font size="2"><big>horst<br>
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Am 30.09.2013 09:22, schrieb Lisa Heft:<br>
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<div>Dan - I
have taken the
liberty of
adjusting the
title of this
topic to more
closely fit
the changed
content.</div>
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<div>And: I
look forward
to hearing how
others
respond…</div>
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<div>1/ I see
the Law and
Principles and
*invitations*
not as
constraints.</div>
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<div>2/ And
not 'required'
as in - some
of us do not
use the 5th
Principle at
all. However,
the saying,
inviting and
simple
explanation of
these
invitations
help to create
the structure
(as there is a
structure,
just not the
structure that
a lot of
people have
experienced in
meetings) / to
create the
container.
What I mean by
that is that I
have observed
that to not
offer the
invitation of
the principles
and law (even
in a group of
people who
completely
know and do
Open Space) is
not inviting
presence and
possibility in
the same way.
So different
dynamics then
occur.</div>
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<div>And in
saying that
offering these
invitations
and explaining
this process
help to create
the container,
I mean a
living,
breathing,
nutrient-rich
container,
perhaps
similar to
some
containers
like cellular
walls, a
bird's nest, a
lake, a poem,
or a wisp of
vapor… which
have some form
within which
there is
flow. </div>
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<div>3/ I
notice that
some
super-good OST
facilitators
can use more
words to
explain
things, and
some use less.
And the
experience can
be amazing. In
my
observation,
it is not the
amount of
words, it is
the complete
true
understanding
of inviting
Opening Circle
and agenda
co-creation
(which include
a brief
explanation of
principles and
law and
process), and
getting /
staying out of
the way so the
participants
can do their
own work, see
their own
patterns, feel
their own
co-leadership,
and so on. </div>
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<div>What do
others think?</div>
<br>
Lisa</div>
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<div>On Sep 29, 2013, at 10:53 PM, Daniel Mezick <<a
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<div>The other thing is that for any kind of facilitation, I
would not name boundaries or constraints. It sets peoples'
minds in the framework of boundaries and constraints -
rather than opportunities and possibilities.</div>
Like 'think outside the box' - you are still thinking…of the
box! when / because someone says that. "<br>
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Dan says:<br>
I notice that:<br>
1/ the 1 Law and 5 Principles of OST are
constraints-in-fact. Are they not?<br>
2/ we are required to describe these as OST Facilitators; at
least, according to the OST Guide. Right?<br>
3/ the general idea for the Facilitator is, "the less said
the better". No?<br>
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I think OST is a most wonderful game. <a
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