<html>
<head>
<meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
http-equiv="Content-Type">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
I request help and guidance. Will you help me understand the rule of
the Open Space meeting format?<br>
<br>
If the 1 law & the 4/5 principles are natural and self-evident,
I am confused about the need to mention them whatsoever. <br>
<br>
If the 1 law and the 4/5 principles are not natural and not
self-evident, I am confused about how mentioning them is optional.<br>
<br>
The 1 "law" (quotes) and "4/5 principles" (quotes again) are either
self-evident, or they are not. I wonder which is the reality.<br>
<br>
See also: <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_rights">http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_rights</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/30/13 8:05 AM, Harrison Owen
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote cite="mid:005501cebdd5$5625e1d0$0271a570$@net"
type="cite">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
charset=ISO-8859-1">
<meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered
medium)">
<style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:Wingdings;
panose-1:5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;}
@font-face
{font-family:"Cambria Math";
panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Calibri;
panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Tahoma;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Consolas;
panose-1:2 11 6 9 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:"Trebuchet MS";
panose-1:2 11 6 3 2 2 2 2 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:purple;
text-decoration:underline;}
span.apple-style-span
{mso-style-name:apple-style-span;}
p.p1, li.p1, div.p1
{mso-style-name:p1;
margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:10.5pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";}
p.p2, li.p2, div.p2
{mso-style-name:p2;
margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:10.5pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#0000EE;}
p.p3, li.p3, div.p3
{mso-style-name:p3;
margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:10.5pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1A37EE;}
span.s1
{mso-style-name:s1;
text-decoration:underline;}
span.s2
{mso-style-name:s2;
color:black;}
span.s3
{mso-style-name:s3;
color:#0000EE;
text-decoration:underline;}
span.EmailStyle24
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D;}
.MsoChpDefault
{mso-style-type:export-only;
font-size:10.0pt;}
@page WordSection1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;
margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.WordSection1
{page:WordSection1;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
<o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->
<div class="WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dan
– I have to agree with Lisa. As said multiple times before,
the 5 principles and the Law are descriptive and not
prescriptive. Or at least that is the way they popped into
my head: simple observations of what was transpiring, as
opposed to directions concerning what should be taking
place. I have always said “Principles” and “Law” with a
smile, because if you really think about it, they are
neither (principle or law). More like, “funny things that
happen on the way to the future.” There is an essential
humor, sense of fun in Open Space – and if we ever lose it,
we begin to take things much too seriously </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">L</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">
I call it High Play.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Harrison
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Harrison
Owen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">7808
River Falls Dr.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Potomac,
MD 20854<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">USA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">189
Beaucaire Ave. (summer)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Camden,
Maine 04843<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Phone
301-365-2093<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(summer)
207-763-3261<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="www.openspaceworld.com%20"><span
style="color:blue">www.openspaceworld.com</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="www.ho-image.com%20"><span
style="color:blue">www.ho-image.com</span></a>
(Personal Website)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D">To
subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the
archives of OSLIST Go to:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org"><span
style="color:blue">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Lisa Heft<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 30, 2013 3:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> World wide Open Space Technology email list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [OSList] (was) Open Space in schools -
now: OST boundaries? constraints?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif";color:black">Dan - I have taken the
liberty of
adjusting the
title of this
topic to more
closely fit
the changed
content.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif";color:black">And: I look forward to
hearing how
others
respond…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif";color:black">1/ I see the Law and
Principles and
*invitations*
not as
constraints.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif";color:black">2/ And not 'required' as in
- some of us
do not use the
5th Principle
at all.
However, the
saying,
inviting and
simple
explanation of
these
invitations
help to create
the structure
(as there is a
structure,
just not the
structure that
a lot of
people have
experienced in
meetings) / to
create the
container.
What I mean by
that is that I
have observed
that to not
offer the
invitation of
the principles
and law (even
in a group of
people who
completely
know and do
Open Space) is
not inviting
presence and
possibility in
the same way.
So different
dynamics then
occur.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif";color:black">And in saying that offering
these
invitations
and explaining
this process
help to create
the container,
I mean a
living,
breathing,
nutrient-rich
container,
perhaps
similar to
some
containers
like cellular
walls, a
bird's nest, a
lake, a poem,
or a wisp of
vapor… which
have some form
within which
there is
flow. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif";color:black">3/ I notice that some
super-good OST
facilitators
can use more
words to
explain
things, and
some use less.
And the
experience can
be amazing. In
my
observation,
it is not the
amount of
words, it is
the complete
true
understanding
of inviting
Opening Circle
and agenda
co-creation
(which include
a brief
explanation of
principles and
law and
process), and
getting /
staying out of
the way so the
participants
can do their
own work, see
their own
patterns, feel
their own
co-leadership,
and so on. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif";color:black">What do others think?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
Lisa<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Sep 29, 2013, at 10:53 PM, Daniel
Mezick <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dan@newtechusa.net">dan@newtechusa.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Lisa says:<br>
"...<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The other thing is that for any kind
of facilitation, I would not name boundaries or
constraints. It sets peoples' minds in the framework of
boundaries and constraints - rather than opportunities
and possibilities.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Like 'think outside the box' - you are
still thinking…of the box! when / because someone says
that. "<br>
<br>
Dan says:<br>
I notice that:<br>
1/ the 1 Law and 5 Principles of OST are
constraints-in-fact. Are they not?<br>
2/ we are required to describe these as OST Facilitators;
at least, according to the OST Guide. Right?<br>
3/ the general idea for the Facilitator is, "the less said
the better". No?<br>
<br>
I think OST is a most wonderful game. <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://newtechusa.net/agile/how-games-deliver-happiness-learning/">http://newtechusa.net/agile/how-games-deliver-happiness-learning/</a><br>
<br>
Dan<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<br>
<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
<br>
<pre wrap="">_______________________________________________
OSList mailing list
To post send emails to <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a>
To unsubscribe send an email to <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a>
To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
<div class="moz-signature">-- <br>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
charset=ISO-8859-1">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Style-Type" content="text/css">
<title></title>
<meta name="Generator" content="Cocoa HTML Writer">
<meta name="CocoaVersion" content="1138">
<style type="text/css">
p.p1 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Arial}
p.p2 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Arial; color: #0000ee}
p.p3 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Arial; color: #1a37ee}
span.s1 {text-decoration: underline}
span.s2 {color: #000000}
span.s3 {text-decoration: underline ; color: #0000ee}
</style>
<p class="p1">Daniel Mezick, President</p>
<p class="p1">New Technology Solutions Inc.</p>
<p class="p1">(203) 915 7248 (cell)</p>
<p class="p2"><span class="s1"><a
href="http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/">Bio</a></span><span
class="s2">. <a href="http://newtechusa.net/blog/"><span
class="s1">Blog</span></a>. <a
href="http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/"><span class="s1">Twitter</span></a>.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p3"><span class="s2">Examine my new book:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/"><span
class="s1">The Culture Game </span></a></span><span
class="s1">: Tools for the Agile Manager</span><span
class="s2">.</span></p>
<p class="p1">Explore Agile Team <a
href="http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/"><span
class="s3">Training</span></a> and <a
href="http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/"><span
class="s3">Coaching.</span></a></p>
<p class="p1">Explore the <a
href="http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/"><span class="s3">Agile
Boston </span></a>Community.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
</div>
</body>
</html>