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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Beautiful. I think I'm in the right
      place.<br>
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          Harold<br>
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      On 9/25/13 11:24 AM, Harrison Owen wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Harold
            said:  “You're clearing going directly against the heart of
            what Dan is trying to promote. Maybe I invite disaster for
            myself by speaking an alternative view from what you are
            saying given your founding status of this community - but
            perhaps given my 12+ years working in the Agile space - I
            have something worthwhile to say.”<br>
            <br>
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Yes
            you do! And Harold – if you are waiting for disaster to
            strike it may well come, but not from me! A long time ago I
            said that Open Space is free (not franchised, trademarked,
            limited license, etc), BUT there is a cost – that we share
            what we are learning. For 28 years, I think we have done
            that. And doing all that sharing is (for me) the heart and
            soul of the OS Community. At times the conversations have
            been hot and heavy, with multiple points of view
            represented. GREAT! And that multiplicity of viewpoints has
            enabled us to go deeper and deeper into our collective
            experience. The simple truth of the matter is that none of
            us (and that most definitely includes me) really knows or
            fully understands the reality of  what we are in the midst
            of. It is a great Question – or better – a great Quest. And
            we aren’t there yet, and I seriously doubt that our time of
            arrival is anytime soon. At least I hope not.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Given
            the enormity of our experience over time and space, on into
            the deeper and timeless spaces of the human spirit –
            multiple view points are not only expected, but essential.
            And each view point is valid, at least it is the valid view
            of the viewer. But all are partial, and therefore misleading
            – one might say false.  Not unlike the blind men describing
            the elephant, we can only depict what we experience – but
            somewhere in our evolving experiences lies a fuller sense of
            what it is all about. One might hope for a final (correct)
            view, but I more than suspect that we find ourselves in an
            infinite regress where certainty becomes questionable... and
            once again we are on the edge of The Question. The Quest. I
            wouldn’t have it any other way.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
            understand that many people find this situation
            uncomfortable, even frustrating. Questions are fine – but
            where is the ANSWER? At times this discomfort seems almost
            overwhelming: “Forget the Question...Give me the Answer.” I
            can fully appreciate the reaction, and yet something in me
            just can’t sit still. The given answers become momentary
            pauses prior to deeper and juicier questions.  Answers are a
            resting point, but there is more...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">For
            me a key word here is “evolving.” Our common experience
            (with OS), like most serious elements of life, did not (does
            not) come out fully formed. What began with two martinis has
            changed, transmogrified, transformed. Curiously it is always
            the same, but somehow deeper and different. And each step
            along the way has its own viewpoint, special words,
            “answers” which are correct and valid for that moment and
            context, but always open to further evolution. A “first
            timer” in Open Space will have a viewpoint which is totally
            appropriate to that time, place, and person. As the
            experience is repeated, the viewpoint seemingly expands and
            deepens.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Many
            of the sticky points we have experienced over the years
            (“Givens,” “Prework,” Tools,” etc) got gooey because we
            forgot the evolving nature of our conversation and mistook
            the validity of a particular point of view for a “final
            answer.” I would guess this has been compounded by the fact
            that the norms of our conversations here on OSLIST are quite
            different from the more usual situation. One might presume,
            if we conducted our business in the same manner that other
            groups do – that when the Founder (that would be me) or some
            other “elder” said something online – that saying was The
            Law, Last word, or “Truth.” We play by different rules, and
            I personally assume that any statement I make is just as
            “questionable” as any other. Truth to tell, I often feel
            somehow cheated when there isn’t some further and different
            discussion. So yes, I say what I experience and think
            (hopefully acknowledging the difference), presuming
            everybody else will do the same... with charity, politeness,
            a smile – and a Question. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So
            is OST a “tool” – just like every other group work tool? Of
            course. But then again, it (OS) doesn’t quite seem to fit.
            Unlike any other Group Process, you don’t have to do very
            much, if anything. Indeed the less you do, the better it
            seems to work. Somehow it seems that “everybody already
            knows...” Weird.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Is
            Pre-Work essential? Definitely! But strangely some of the
            best (deepest, effective, most moving) OS’s in my experience
            happened without a speck of Pre-Work, except for basic
            logistics. And some of them didn’t even have basic
            logistics. Definitely odd.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Do
            we need to identify and consider The Givens? Certainly. If
            nothing else, doing so keeps some folks out of trouble and
            makes managers (sponsors) more relaxed. Still and all I’ve
            always found that when something is “placed off the table,”
            you can always find it under the table, or out in the hall.
            Scratch my head.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">And
            Dan – Have I struck a blow to the heart of your endeavor? I
            hope not... ‘cause I think it is GREAT, and I’ve told you
            that. Indeed a basic mantra of my life is, “Open Space
            anywhere, about anything, with anybody, as often as you
            can.” That goes for the Agile folks, along with everybody
            else. But when it comes to outcomes and expectations maybe
            the real “Golden Ring” is not so much the Adoption of Agile
            with all those great principles, practices, and approaches,
            good as they are. Rather the Pot of Gold is genuine High
            Performance, real agility – done totally as a natural act.
            Kind of like what seems to happen in just about every Open
            Space. Possible?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thank
            You Harold!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                 <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Harrison
              Owen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Potomac,
              MD 20854<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">USA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              Maine 04843<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              301-365-2093<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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