<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Dear Harrison: </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br>
</span>Your post raises me one comment and some questions.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br>
</span>1) Beginning with the comment: I think that the translation of
"metanoia" in the Bible for "repentance" - that later
influenced all the translation dictionaries of modern languages - is wrong and
doesn't allow us to understand correctly the true meaning of the original word.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br>
</span>In the translation of the Bible from Aramaic to Greek and then to Latin
(and later to the modern languages) the true meaning of “metanoia” was lost.
Being a man of culture (probably the most educated man among the first
Christians) and being a Roman citizen, born in Greece, Saul of Tarsus, knew
very well that the meaning of “metanoia" ("</span><span>Μετάνοια") was "profound change
of mind". And he also understood that if his "change of mind"
would be from being a Christian to any other position the same word
"metanoia" could have been used!</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br>
</span>The first Christians and the (Christian) translators of the Bible were
more interested by the fact that this particular "change of mind" was
from a persecutor of Christians to a becoming a Christian himself and hence
used the word "repentance", (in Latin "</span><span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Repentance" - or "Pœnitentia"</span><span> ), </span></span><span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">probably also because this could be in only one word as was
metanoia. </span><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> </span></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">So they haven't used
what would be the correct Latin translation ("</span></span><span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">mutatio animi</span></span><span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">") (change of mind). <o:p></o:p></span></span></div><div style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">The point is that "metanoia" is indeed a "profound
change of mind", a new world view, and the character of that change of
mind is irrelevant - it doesn’t matter if he "repented from his sins"
and "saw the (Christian) light" or, for instance, if someone changes his
mind from being a Christian to became a believer in (the religion (?) of)
Science. Or if he abandons the positivist view of science to begin to understand
self-organization, emergence, chaos theory, etc. In all the case the word "metanoia" can be used.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br>
</span>This may seem a very theoretical distinction but my point is that this distinction
has a great number of practical consequences in the way one sees reality, and particularly
the reality of change.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br>
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<!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p></span></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">2. Now, in what concerns
my questions, can you be so kind, Harrison (and/or any others that also lived
that historical - but much more recent period - to clarify some points for me?
What is the real distinction between Organizational Development and
Organizational Transformation?</span><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br>
</span>I mean: </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br>
</span>2.1. I know (or I think that I know) that the "two martinis"
were taken after the first "Organization Transformation Conference” and
that from the second one until the last one (in 2010, if I recall well) all
were held in OST. Is that true? </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> </span></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">2.2. I know (or I think
that I know) that all the people that assembled for the first OT Conference
were previously part of the OD movement. Is that correct?<o:p></o:p></span></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br>
</span>2.3. I suspect that, if members of the OD movement decided to create an
OT conference, it can only be because they decided that the problem was no
longer (or not only) an OD question, but a real "Organizational
Transformation" was what was needed. Is this true? </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>2.4. And what were the
differences between OD and OT? Can it be that OD is normally “superficial
change” and OT wanted to be about "profound change?</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> </span></span></div><div>
</div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Thanks and regards</span><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12pt; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: transparent;"><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: transparent;">Artur</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12pt; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: transparent;"><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style:
normal;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: transparent;"><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12pt; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br style="font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></div> <div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Harrison Owen <hhowen@verizon.net><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> 'Artur Silva'
<arturfsilva@yahoo.com>; 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 26, 2013 2:51 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [OSList] Profound change (was: The Open Agile Adoption story)<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv0765154496"><style><!--
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sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv0765154496MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The interesting part of reading your questions of more than a decade ago is to notice how pertinent they still are, and simultaneously, how the passage of time has (in my view) provided a simple answer to each one: Yes. For example, even the most hardened skeptic would have to admit that the behaviors manifest in Open Space represent a radical change of direction from “Business as Usual” for that particular group. Massively dysfunctional organizations effectively communicate and work together, hostile parties, ordinarily given to shooting each other are seen to be hugging a kissing. Odd to say the least, and perhaps metanoia – definitely some new directions. How long the “change” lasts may be another question, but Rome was not built in a day. Or something.
</span></div><div class="yiv0765154496MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv0765154496MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">But the passage of time has done something else, at least for me. The questions as posed presuppose that there is a definite process, defined by someone (presumably me), performed by a community of individuals in ways that are “correct” or not. I would certainly agree that at a superficial level, those presuppositions are valid, but if so, they create a degree of anomaly that is deliciously inviting. I say “delicious” because I truly love anomalies simply because they point the way to deep and interesting questions.</span></div><div class="yiv0765154496MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">
</span></div><div class="yiv0765154496MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The anomalous lump appears for me in my extending experience of facilitating Open Space. The more I “do” the clearer it becomes that doing more is the wrong way to go. In fact the less I do, the better things get. Following this vector it appears that perfection performance for me as a facilitator would be to do absolutely nothing at all. Strange practice/process. Seems best when it isn’t there!</span></div><div class="yiv0765154496MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv0765154496MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Harrison </span></div><div class="yiv0765154496MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
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href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Artur Silva<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 25, 2013 6:52 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mmpannwitz@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mmpannwitz@gmail.com">mmpannwitz@gmail.com</a>; World wide Open Space Technology email list<br><b>Subject:</b> [OSList] Profound change (was: The Open Agile Adoption story)</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv0765154496MsoNormal"> </div><div><div><div class="yiv0765154496MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black;">Dear Michael:</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv0765154496MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black;"><br>Thanks for asking about what I mean by "profound change" and sorry for the delay in my answer.</span></div></div><div><div
class="yiv0765154496MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black;"><br>Since I have joined the OSLIST (in 1998, I think) my main objective has always been to try to understand the<span class="yiv0765154496apple-converted-space"> <b>role of OST as a tool to facilitate profound changes</b> </span>in organizations, communities, societies, as well as in individuals.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv0765154496MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black;"><br>As we can talk about "root learning" versus "profound learning" (paradigm shift) we can also talk about change that only alters the symptoms or the accessories from change that profoundly affect the structures and mental models of the individual, the community, the organization or even the society at large.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv0765154496MsoNormal"
style="background:white;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black;"><br>For many year I have used (and I still use) the Greek word “metanoia” to describe that type of change.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv0765154496MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black;"><br>If you make a search in the Archives of this list for "OST and metanoia" you will see a post of Tue Oct 9 2001 (which I repeat bellow, just for fun), where I have pointed to a post in another list (<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.learning-org.com/01.10/0025.html">http://www.learning-org.com/01.10/0025.html</a>) to define the concept of “metanoia” based on the Italian sociologist Alberoni and then asked four questions trying to relate “OST and Metanoia”. </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv0765154496MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-family: Verdana,
sans-serif; color: black;"> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv0765154496MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black;">The thread had the participation of people like the late Laurel, Florian, Reinhardt, Meg Salter, Harrison, Chris Weaver - that commented parts of it - and only one post that tried to answer to all my 4 questions: a post from the late Fr. Brian Bainbridge (<i>Sun Nov 25</i>). Here is my old post that initiated that conversation. Enjoy.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv0765154496MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;"> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv0765154496MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">---</span></div></div><div><h1 style="background:white;"><span style="color:blue;">OST and metanoia</span><span style="color:black;"></span></h1></div><div><div class="yiv0765154496MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:blue;">Artur F.
Silva</span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:blue;"> </span><span style="color:blue;"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" title="OST and metanoia"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;">artsilva</span></a></span></div><div class="yiv0765154496MsoNormal"> </div><div class="yiv0765154496MsoNormal"><span class="yiv0765154496MsoHyperlink"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" target="_blank"
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style="color:black;text-decoration:none;"></span></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv0765154496MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;background:white;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black;"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" title="OST and metanoia"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none;"></span></a></span></div><div class="yiv0765154496MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;background:white;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black;"><a rel="nofollow"
ymailto="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" title="OST and metanoia"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none;"><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center"></span></a></span></div><div class="yiv0765154496MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;background:white;"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" title="OST and
metanoia"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;"> </span></a></div><div class="yiv0765154496MsoNormal"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" title="OST and metanoia"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;"> </span></a></div><pre style="background:white;white-space:pre-wrap;"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" target="_blank"
href="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" title="OST and metanoia"><span style="text-decoration:none;">Dear OS-practitioners:</span></a></span><span class="yiv0765154496MsoHyperlink"><span style="text-decoration:none;"></span></span></pre><pre style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" title="OST and metanoia"><span style="text-decoration:none;">As many of you know, I am discussing in another list the problem of</span></a></span><span
class="yiv0765154496MsoHyperlink"><span style="text-decoration:none;"></span></span></pre><pre style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" title="OST and metanoia"><span style="text-decoration:none;">enhancing organizational learning, especially double loop learning and</span></a></span><span class="yiv0765154496MsoHyperlink"><span style="text-decoration:none;"></span></span></pre><pre style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow"
ymailto="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" title="OST and metanoia"><span style="text-decoration:none;">metanoia.</span></a></span><span class="yiv0765154496MsoHyperlink"><span style="text-decoration:none;"></span></span></pre><pre style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E"
title="OST and metanoia"><span style="text-decoration:none;">I plan, in a near future, to present OST and discuss how it can improve</span></a></span><span class="yiv0765154496MsoHyperlink"><span style="text-decoration:none;"></span></span></pre><pre style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" title="OST and metanoia"><span style="text-decoration:none;">double loop learning (or metanoia).</span></a></span><span class="yiv0765154496MsoHyperlink"><span style="text-decoration:none;"></span></span></pre><pre style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow"
ymailto="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" title="OST and metanoia"><span style="text-decoration:none;">In the last post to them I have presented Alberoni's conception of</span></a></span><span class="yiv0765154496MsoHyperlink"><span style="text-decoration:none;"></span></span></pre><pre style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" target="_blank"
href="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" title="OST and metanoia"><span style="text-decoration:none;">metanoia. I am asking for those of you who care about the subject to</span></a></span><span class="yiv0765154496MsoHyperlink"><span style="text-decoration:none;"></span></span></pre><pre style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" title="OST and metanoia"><span style="text-decoration:none;">read that post and then answer, to the list or privately to me, to
this</span></a></span><span class="yiv0765154496MsoHyperlink"><span style="text-decoration:none;"></span></span></pre><pre style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" title="OST and metanoia"><span style="text-decoration:none;">questions, using always the meaning that Alberoni gives to "metanoia":</span></a></span><span class="yiv0765154496MsoHyperlink"><span style="text-decoration:none;"></span></span></pre><pre style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow"
ymailto="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" title="OST and metanoia"><span style="text-decoration:none;">1) From your experience with OST, do you think that OST is an important</span></a></span><span class="yiv0765154496MsoHyperlink"><span style="text-decoration:none;"></span></span></pre><pre style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" target="_blank"
href="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" title="OST and metanoia"><span style="text-decoration:none;">way to enhance metanoiaic states in organizations and communities?</span></a></span><span class="yiv0765154496MsoHyperlink"><span style="text-decoration:none;"></span></span></pre><pre style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" title="OST and metanoia"><span style="text-decoration:none;">2) Do you think that some concepts current in the OST community
may</span></a></span><span class="yiv0765154496MsoHyperlink"><span style="text-decoration:none;"></span></span></pre><pre style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" title="OST and metanoia"><span style="text-decoration:none;">facilitate this? and others may make it difficult? What concepts?</span></a></span><span class="yiv0765154496MsoHyperlink"><span style="text-decoration:none;"></span></span></pre><pre style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow"
ymailto="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" title="OST and metanoia"><span style="text-decoration:none;">3) Do you think that the OS community qualifies in itself as a "birth stage"</span></a></span><span class="yiv0765154496MsoHyperlink"><span style="text-decoration:none;"></span></span></pre><pre style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" target="_blank"
href="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" title="OST and metanoia"><span style="text-decoration:none;">(of a movement or of a Community of Practice, as Etienne Wenger defines</span></a></span><span class="yiv0765154496MsoHyperlink"><span style="text-decoration:none;"></span></span></pre><pre style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" title="OST and metanoia"><span style="text-decoration:none;">CoP's)?</span></a></span><span
class="yiv0765154496MsoHyperlink"><span style="text-decoration:none;"></span></span></pre><pre style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" title="OST and metanoia"><span style="text-decoration:none;">4) If so, do you think that there is a risk that the community may disperse in different "sub-practices", and that can diminish the overall metanoic</span></a></span><span class="yiv0765154496MsoHyperlink"><span style="text-decoration:none;"></span></span></pre><pre style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow"
ymailto="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" title="OST and metanoia"><span style="text-decoration:none;">potential of OST?</span></a></span><span class="yiv0765154496MsoHyperlink"><span style="text-decoration:none;"></span></span></pre><pre style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" target="_blank"
href="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" title="OST and metanoia"><span style="text-decoration:none;">For those of you that want to help me in understanding this, the</span></a></span><span class="yiv0765154496MsoHyperlink"><span style="text-decoration:none;"></span></span></pre><pre style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" title="OST and metanoia"><span style="text-decoration:none;">referred (and long) post can be found at:</span></a></span><span
class="yiv0765154496MsoHyperlink"><span style="text-decoration:none;"></span></span></pre><pre style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org?Subject=Re%3A%20OST%20and%20metanoia&In-Reply-To=%3CTUE.9.OCT.2001.233432.0100.OSLIST%40LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU%3E" title="OST and metanoia"><span style="text-decoration:none;"><u>http://www.learning-org.com/01.10/0025.html</u></span></a></span><span class="yiv0765154496MsoHyperlink"><span style="text-decoration:none;"></span></span></pre><pre style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.learning-org.com/01.10/0025.html"><span style="text-decoration:none;">Thank you very much to all that will accept
the challenge</span></a></span><span class="yiv0765154496MsoHyperlink"><span style="text-decoration:none;"></span></span></pre><pre style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.learning-org.com/01.10/0025.html"><span style="text-decoration:none;">Artur</span></a></span><span class="yiv0765154496MsoHyperlink"><span style="text-decoration:none;"></span></span></pre><div><div class="yiv0765154496MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.learning-org.com/01.10/0025.html"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none;">---</span></a><span class="yiv0765154496MsoHyperlink"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none;"></span></span></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv0765154496MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.learning-org.com/01.10/0025.html"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none;">Best
regards </span></a><span class="yiv0765154496MsoHyperlink"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none;"></span></span></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv0765154496MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.learning-org.com/01.10/0025.html"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none;">Artur</span></a><span class="yiv0765154496MsoHyperlink"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none;"></span></span></span></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv0765154496MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black;"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.learning-org.com/01.10/0025.html"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none;">From:</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none;"> Michael M Pannwitz <<u><span style="color:blue;">mmpannwitz@gmail.com</span></u>><br></span><span
style="color:black;text-decoration:none;">To:</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none;"> Artur Silva <<u><span style="color:blue;">arturfsilva@yahoo.com</span></u>>; World wide Open Space Technology email list <<u><span style="color:blue;">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</span></u>> <br></span><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none;">Sent:</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none;"> Tuesday, August 20, 2013 5:34 PM<br></span><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none;">Subject:</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none;"> Re: [OSList] The Open Agile Adoption story</span></a></span></b><span class="yiv0765154496MsoHyperlink"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none;"></span></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv0765154496MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow"
ymailto="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none;"><br>Dear Artur,<br>tell me more about "profound changes"...<br>A couple of years ago, I had the privilege to facilitate an OST event <br>for an agile consulting company. They schemed on how to transform their <br>organisational life and process and structure in such a way that nobody <br>would have to quit the company again on account of an employee becoming <br>parent. Since they managed to invite and have attend partners and <br>children (including ex-employees) I knew the whole thing would be a <br>grand success. Its always been that way when I saw children attending an <br>OST event.<br>I have no idea what happened to their burning business issue. They never <br>told me which is probably a sign for them doing business as usual, <br>profoundly.<br><br>Wish you all the best in your journey... ever
thought of beginning it <br>with an OST event?<br>Cheers<br>mmp<br><br>On 20.08.2013 16:21, Artur Silva wrote:<br>(...)</span></a><span class="yiv0765154496MsoHyperlink"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none;"></span></span></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>