Sounds like dogma to me, Harrison. <span></span><br><br>On Saturday, 10 August 2013, Carmela Ariza wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
<div style="font-size:12pt">Dear HO and the rest of OS loving colleagues,</div><div style="font-size:12pt"><br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
While reading again fully and partly the sharing/discussion on certification and now this - point of Harrison on "I will be the first to cheer the departure of OST...." </div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
<br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Somehow my poem that I wrote this morning resonates with the ongoing discussion. Allow me to share
this....</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><span style="color:rgb(55,64,78);font-family:'lucida grande',tahoma,verdana,arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;text-align:left">Holding Things Lightly</span><br style="color:rgb(55,64,78);font-family:'lucida grande',tahoma,verdana,arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;text-align:left">
<span style="color:rgb(55,64,78);font-family:'lucida grande',tahoma,verdana,arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;text-align:left">by: Carmela Ariza</span><br style="color:rgb(55,64,78);font-family:'lucida grande',tahoma,verdana,arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;text-align:left">
<span style="color:rgb(55,64,78);font-family:'lucida grande',tahoma,verdana,arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;text-align:left">5:55AM, 10 August 2013</span><br style="color:rgb(55,64,78);font-family:'lucida grande',tahoma,verdana,arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;text-align:left">
<br style="color:rgb(55,64,78);font-family:'lucida grande',tahoma,verdana,arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;text-align:left"><span style="color:rgb(55,64,78);font-family:'lucida grande',tahoma,verdana,arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;text-align:left">Allow me </span><br style="color:rgb(55,64,78);font-family:'lucida grande',tahoma,verdana,arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;text-align:left">
<span style="color:rgb(55,64,78);font-family:'lucida grande',tahoma,verdana,arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;text-align:left">To hold things lightly</span><br style="color:rgb(55,64,78);font-family:'lucida grande',tahoma,verdana,arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;text-align:left">
<span style="color:rgb(55,64,78);font-family:'lucida grande',tahoma,verdana,arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;text-align:left">For when I cling to them </span><br style="color:rgb(55,64,78);font-family:'lucida grande',tahoma,verdana,arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;text-align:left">
<span style="color:rgb(55,64,78);font-family:'lucida grande',tahoma,verdana,arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;text-align:left">I loose sight </span><br style="color:rgb(55,64,78);font-family:'lucida grande',tahoma,verdana,arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;text-align:left">
<span style="color:rgb(55,64,78);font-family:'lucida grande',tahoma,verdana,arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;text-align:left">Of the more beautiful</span><br style="color:rgb(55,64,78);font-family:'lucida grande',tahoma,verdana,arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;text-align:left">
<span style="color:rgb(55,64,78);font-family:'lucida grande',tahoma,verdana,arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;text-align:left">Of the more important</span><span style="display:inline;color:rgb(55,64,78);font-family:'lucida grande',tahoma,verdana,arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;text-align:left"><br>
And the more fulfilling <br>Things in life<br><br>When I have an idea<br>Give me the wisdom<br>To hold it lightly<br>That I may give room<br>For this idea to grow<br>Along with other ideas<br>Acknowledging <br>Collective wisdom<br>
<br>When I have an opinion<br>Whether about an issue<br>Or about a person<br>Or even an event<br>Allow me to hold this opinion<br>Lightly<br>So that I could lend an ear<br>To other opinions I hear<br><br>When I have something<br>
I call my favorite thing<br>Allow me to hold it lightly<br>So that I will not hold it <br>Too tightly<br>Grasping for more<br>Never letting go<br>Hurting myself or others<br><br>When I hold someone dearly<br>Allow me to relax my
grip<br>On the one I love<br>So that she may grow<br>Through and with others<br>Affirming my part<br>As well as the role of others<br>In forming and shaping my beloved<br><br>When I am so attached to my life<br>Allow me to see beyond this life<br>
And when the end is near<br>I shall gracefully exit<br>Not fearing <br>Nor doubting<br>That this road ahead<br>Is where I am meant to be<br><br>Help me to hold things lightly<br>Suspending my thoughts <br>Making space for something new <br>
Stepping back <br>Taking a different view<br>Confirming, disconfirming<br>Breathing in, breathing out<br></span><div style="font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(55,64,78);font-family:'lucida grande',tahoma,verdana,arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;text-align:left">Simply letting go</span> </div>
<div style="font-size:12pt"></div><div style="font-size:12pt"> </div><div style="font-size:12pt">All the best to all! Have a good weekend!</div><div style="font-size:12pt"><br></div><div style="font-size:12pt">Carms</div>
<div style="font-size:12pt"><br></div><div style="font-size:12pt"><br></div><div style="font-size:12pt"><font color="#60bf00" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><i><strong>If there is to be any peace it will come through being, not having. -- Henry Miller</strong></i></font><br>
</div> <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> <div style="font-family:'times new roman','new york',times,serif;font-size:12pt"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Harrison Owen <<a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'hhowen@verizon.net');" target="_blank">hhowen@verizon.net</a>><br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, 10 August 2013, 8:14<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [OSList] Certification?<br> </font> </div> <div><br><div><div><div><div><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Paul – it ain’t Dogma – just experience. If the experience changes, change the story. And that is what we are – Story Tellers. And the Tale has yet to be fully told. One thing I am absolutely clear about. We didn’t invent it. And certainly I didn’t invent it. Been going on for 14.7 billion years, and we are just catching up – just barely. Wherever it happens is the right place. We just have to keep out eyes open. And Be prepared to be surprised. I will be the first to cheer the departure of Open Space Technology. It is, and always has been in my mind a “half-way technology.” Something we do until we can easily and openly do the real thing. Which paradoxically is nothing new and nothing strange. Just what we do, and what we are. So relax Paul... the story is
just getting started....</span></div><div><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Harrison</span></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 09, 2013 7:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> World wide Open Space Technology email list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] Certification?</span></div></div><div> </div><div>The problem, dear colleagues, is that if you fix this as dogma...</div>
<div><div> </div></div><div><div>For me it all comes down to this:</div><div>· 5 Conditions of Use</div><div>· A few logistics</div><div>· Circle</div><div>· 5 Principles</div><div>· Law of 2 feet</div>
<div>· Be Prepared to
be Surprised</div><div>· Trust the People</div><div>... Then you have killed the space for change. What Harrison calls (also dogmatically) "the genuine article" sets up a tragic polarity between genuine or NOT genuine.</div>
</div><div><div> </div></div><div><div>George W Bush did the same in the Iraq war: "Either you are with us or you are against us"</div></div><div><div> </div></div><div><div>Harrison will take this "genuine article" dogma to his grave. Shame. </div>
</div><div><div> </div></div><div><div>Certification even arises at all because of this false dogma. It has drawn it in by becoming a blueprint. Oh
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