<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Oh no! To be certified as unconfused would ruin everything! </div><div><br></div><div>:)</div><div><br></div><div>C<br><br><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">-- </span><div>CHRIS CORRIGAN</div><div>Harvest Moon Consultants</div><div><a href="http://www.chriscorrigan.com">www.chriscorrigan.com</a></div><div><br></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); "><a href="http://aohrivendell.withtank.com/" target="_blank"><b>Art of Hosting - Participatory Leadership and Social Collaboration</b>, Bowen Island, BC</a> November 11-14,2013</span><br></div></div><div><br>On 2013-08-08, at 12:30 PM, Michael M Pannwitz <<a href="mailto:mmpannwitz@gmail.com">mmpannwitz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Chris,</span><br><span>I did not certify you to award certificates such as the certificate No. 1. You will get my certification to do such things only after you transferred the 5000 Euro I decided people like you have to pay to me, please see my earlier mail in this.</span><br><span>In case you dont oblige I uncertify you in all the roles you are impersonating: facilitator, trainer, etc. In addition I will certify you as un-confused and utterly useful. You will see where that gets you to.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Unhugging</span><br><span>mmp</span><br><span></span><br><span>On 08.08.2013 20:01, Chris Corrigan wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>I hereby award you certificate No. 1 as the first ever officially</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>certified non-certified OST facilitator. You are now entitled to</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>nothing at all and no one can be guaranteed of anything regarding your</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>offerings in this field!</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Excellent...the movement is beginning!</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Chris</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>PS...this discussion could lead to us all becoming certifiably confused.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:41 AM, paul levy <<a href="mailto:paul@cats3000.net">paul@cats3000.net</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><<a href="mailto:paul@cats3000.net">mailto:paul@cats3000.net</a>>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> I'd like to formally propose that we introduce a Certificate of</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Non-Certification which states: "This is to certify that X is not</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> certified". This I believe would add enormous credibility and</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> endorsement to our practice. We could even certify a group of</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> certified non-certifiers to ensure the non-certification process is</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> properly certified.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> I'm more than happy to be certified over this issue.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Paul Levy</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> On 8 August 2013 15:50, Harrison Owen <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net">hhowen@verizon.net</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net">mailto:hhowen@verizon.net</a>>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Certification (whatever that might mean) seems to be a perennial</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> topic. I suppose that is understandable, but for myself it is a</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> horrible idea. My reasons are several. First of all it is too</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> much work. The thought of developing the criteria, programs, and</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> even worse, “protecting the brand” is totally exhausting. We’d</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> have to have certifiers to certify the certifiers and so on ad</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> infinitum. Second reason – Open Space seems to be taking care of</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> itself. When folks come on with “A little Open Space,” “Sort of</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Open Space,” “Modified Open Space,” ... the participants</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> (increasingly) understand that they aren’t getting the genuine</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> article—and say so. I recall one instance where a large</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> gentleman stood up in the middle of the “program” and loudly</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> proclaimed, “This sure ain’t Open Space! I’m out of here.” And</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> he walked. I guess you could call that “Market Certification.”</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Best of all --- it works all by itself. 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