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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'>Hi Jorge and Patricio, I'll do now the effort to respond in English so that everyone can understand.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'>Jorge is true that due to the predominance of a macho culture in the mining industry in Chile, long time ago we decided not to include the analogy of bees and butterflies, mainly to prevent the sarcastic jokes about butterflies that tends to designate gay people in the Latin-American culture, and that in the previous events made people laugh from the beginning to the end, from those that were involved in this manner in the OST. And of course that for that we had a special care to equally explain the three basic forms of participation in this unique space of freedom and real responsibility that they would be able to create, without naming the insects.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'>But today with the increased experience that we have, I do not think that I would do the same because I think that letting these jokes to take place, in some way will allow them to make more clear about their prejudices and discriminatory ways of relating that dominates in their culture. In this way I think they could take more consciousness of what they need to change in their usual way of behaving.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'>Anyway, it's interesting to note that, in essence, despite having rejected the analogies with the insects, the whole process occurred with the same magic and effectiveness as always occur in an Open Space.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'>This reminds me what Harrison always points us in the sense that space is always open, and also suggests me that maybe it's also true what I've heard to Artur Silva told us more than once in this list, in the sense that the 5 principles may also not be mentioned. Although I've never gotten to this far.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'>And somehow all this reflection is consistent with the predicament that "less is more", but to what extent?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'>And at this point perhaps the main question is: what really are the essential and fundamental components in an Open Space event?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'>I would love to hear the opinion from others.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'>Hugs,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext'>Juan Luis<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=ES style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>De:</span></b><span lang=ES style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org [mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org] <b>En nombre de </b>Jorge Amigo<br><b>Enviado el:</b> jueves, 01 de agosto de 2013 10:20<br><b>Para:</b> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org<br><b>Asunto:</b> Re: [OSList] the first OS in the great mining in Chile<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hola Juan Luis y Patricio<br>Como tu sabes Juan Luis, soy partidario de describir las posibilidades de hacer uso de la libertad que impera en un Espacio Abierto sin usar las figuras de los insectos o solo usar la de las abejas pues creo que es la única que logra configurar una imagen acertada de aquello que se quiere señalar. En los otros dos casos de uso de la ley de los dos pies, ni las mariposas , ni las golondrinas, ni las hormigas o cualquier otro insecto o animal, creo que no logran configurar la imagen deseada. además, creo que lo importante es dejar abierto el uso de la libertad a la responsabilidad de cada participante. La invitación de fondo es " hazte cargo de ti mismo"<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Eso por ahora, queridos amigos. Podemos darle más vueltas de tuerca al asunto<br>Jorge Amigo<br><br>El 31-07-2013 16:26, JL Walker escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New ;color:#1F497D","serif"'>Estimado Patricio:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New ;color:#1F497D","serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New ;color:#1F497D","serif"'>Jorge Amigo y yo fuimos más drásticos, simplemente sacamos a todos los insectos del cuento y relatábamos sin analogías las alternativas de participación que la ley de los pies nos otorga. Igualmente funciona. Aunque ahora pienso que tal vez fue demasiado.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New ;color:#1F497D","serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New ;color:#1F497D","serif"'>¿Qué piensas tú Jorge?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New ;color:#1F497D","serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New ;color:#1F497D","serif"'>Abrazos,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New ;color:#1F497D","serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New ;color:#1F497D","serif"'>Juan Luis</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New ;color:#1F497D","serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=ES style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>De:</span></b><span lang=ES style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a> [<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] <b>En nombre de </b>Patricio Bastian<br><b>Enviado el:</b> lunes, 29 de julio de 2013 18:30<br><b>Para:</b> World wide Open Space Technology email list<br><b>Asunto:</b> Re: [OSList] the first OS in the great mining in Chile</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-CL style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Estimado,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-CL style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-CL style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Tienes toda la razón. Hay un tema de machismo. Sin embargo, con OS se ha logrado iniciar un cambio cultural, no importando si colocamos un estereotipo como “mariposa” o “golondrina”, más bien es el concepto el que logramos implantar, y al final del día es lo que importa.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-CL style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-CL style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Luego compartiremos los resultados con la red mundial del OS.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-CL style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span lang=ES style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Atte.</span></i></b><b><span lang=ES style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>,</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span lang=ES style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=ES style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>P. Bastian</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span lang=ES-TRAD style='color:green'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-CL style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-CL style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=ES style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>De:</span></b><span lang=ES style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a> [<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] <b>En nombre de </b>JL Walker<br><b>Enviado el:</b> lunes, 29 de julio de 2013 18:22<br><b>Para:</b> 'World wide Open Space Technology email list'<br><b>Asunto:</b> Re: [OSList] the first OS in the great mining in Chile</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-CL> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New ;color:#1F497D","serif"'>Excellent Patrick and congratulations!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New ;color:#1F497D","serif"'>In my past experience with OST in the mining sector, in some way I had problems when speaking about butterflies. Did you have it also that funny issue?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New ;color:#1F497D","serif"'>It's a very macho culture that use for jokes that word, but certainly the experience of the open space is for the mining people like a balm that begins to wake up the hearts in a world that is hard as a rock.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New ;color:#1F497D","serif"'>Don't you think that?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New ;color:#1F497D","serif"'>I'll be looking your further report of findings.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New ;color:#1F497D","serif"'>Vamos que se puede!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New ;color:#1F497D","serif"'>Juan Luis</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New ;color:#1F497D","serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=ES style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>De:</span></b><span lang=ES style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a> [<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] <b>En nombre de </b>Patricio Bastian<br><b>Enviado el:</b> sábado, 27 de julio de 2013 17:24<br><b>Para:</b> <a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br><b>CC:</b> <a href="mailto:rcampos@duoc.cl">rcampos@duoc.cl</a>; Roberto Campos (<a href="mailto:rcampos@mafchile.com">rcampos@mafchile.com</a>)<br><b>Asunto:</b> [OSList] the first OS in the great mining in Chile<br><b>Importancia:</b> Alta</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span lang=ES-CL style='font-size:14.0pt'>Hello everybody!</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-CL style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><span lang=EN style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'>Today is</span></span><span lang=EN style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'> <span class=hps>a great day</span>, we have initiated <span class=hps>the first</span> <span class=hps>OS</span> <span class=hps>in the large</span> <span class=hps>copper</span> <span class=hps>mining</span> <span class=hps>in</span> <span class=hps>Chile,</span> <span class=hps>in the city of</span> <span class=hps>Antofagasta.</span><br><br><span class=hps>For us</span>, two researchers <span class=hps>of</span> <span class=hps>the effectiveness</span> <span class=hps>of the technique,</span> <span class=hps>is very</span> <span class=hps>rewarding</span> <span class=hps>to see how</span> <span class=hps>our expectations</span> <span class=hps>overflow</span>.<br><br><span class=hps>We are making</span> <span class=hps>a major milestone in</span> <span class=hps>companies</span> <span class=hps>large</span> <span class=hps>mining</span> <span class=hps>related</span>. <span class=hps>Now</span> <span class=hps>unite</span> <span class=hps>IPVC</span> <span class=hps>experience</span> <span class=hps>on</span> <span class=hps>OS</span>.<br><br><span class=hps>Then analyze</span> <span class=hps>and</span> <span class=hps>communicate</span> <span class=hps>our findings.</span><br><br><span class=hps>It is a</span> <span class=hps>privilege</span> <span class=hps>to use</span> <span class=hps>OS</span>, there is a <span class=hps>great turnout</span> <span class=hps>and</span> <span class=hps>a world to discover</span>.<br><br><span class=hps>Thanks to</span> <span class=hps>all</span> <span class=hps>who have helped</span> <span class=hps>with advice,</span> <span class=hps>suggestions and contributions</span>.<br><br><span class=hps><b><i>Sincerely,</i></b></span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-CL style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span lang=ES style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Patrick Bastian and Robert Campos</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span lang=ES-TRAD style='color:green'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-CL> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-CL> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=ES-CL style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman , serif","serif"'><hr size=1 width="100%" noshade style='color:#A0A0A0' align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=ES-CL style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman , serif","serif"'>Se certificó que el correo no contiene virus.<br>Comprobada por AVG - <a href="http://www.avg.es">www.avg.es</a><br>Versión: 2013.0.2904 / Base de datos de virus: 3209/6525 - Fecha de la versión: 27/07/2013</span><o:p></o:p></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=ES-CL style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman , serif","serif"'><hr size=1 width="100%" noshade style='color:#A0A0A0' align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=ES-CL style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman , serif","serif"'>Se certificó que el correo no contiene virus.<br>Comprobada por AVG - <a href="http://www.avg.es">www.avg.es</a><br>Versión: 2013.0.2904 / Base de datos de virus: 3209/6526 - Fecha de la 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