<div dir="ltr"><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><br><br></span></span></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Hi Artur, as long as I know,...<br>
</span></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><br>There is no community of OS facilitators in Spain, nor has there been an Osonos.<br><br></span></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt">
<span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">There are 8 folks in Spain in the <a href="http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/">Worldmap</a>, and it´s mainly me who, around here, nowadays posts reports in the <a href="http://www.openspaceworldscape.org">Worldscape</a>. <br>
<br>Nor Gerard nor Ian are present there, but this means very few, as you say.<br><br>There are much more people doing OS around here, and I know about some 20 people that have facilitated OS meetings in the Basque Country. Some of them have even been in touch with Lisa Heft in SF (W?) Osonos or trainings,... <br>
<br>Strapolating, and knowing that the Basque Country sticks to and likes still specially strongly community work and the so, I suppose there must be some more 50 people in Spain that have facilitated OS, and I know just about some 10 of them.<br>
<br></span></span></div><span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"></span></span><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Two
weeks ago I was invited to share my OS experiences for 2 hours (here a <a href="http://burumapak.blogspot.com.es/2013/05/espazio-irekiaz-ikasten-urtxintxa.html">briefing</a> in Basque). It was wonderful. In fact we did and opening, a
closing, and held some conversations about OS in between, as usual. Kind of micro-osonos :-)!<br><br></span></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">I think that an Osonos would be great now around us to wave the community, as there are more and more people knowing and loving OS, and many that want to know and learn more. <br>
<br></span></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">This Osonos would probably be bilingual (Basque/Spanish) or open to more languages, as we have gained much experience and learning in doing so within the last year,...<br>
</span></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><br></span></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Thanks, Artur, for reviving this intention inside me,...<br>
<br></span></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">We´ll let you all </span></span><span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">know.</span></span><span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><br>
<br></span></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Best wishes from rainy (siri-miri) Bilbao, <br><br>laugh, love, live :-)!<br></span></span><br><span class=""><span style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><a href="https://twitter.com/Eleder_BuM" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(191,39,126)">@Eleder_BuM</span> </a><br>
<span style="font-size:xx-small"><span style="font-size:xx-small"> <a href="http://www.flowandshow.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">www.flowandshow.blogspot.com</a> (En) </span><a href="http://www.burumapak.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">www.burumapak.blogspot.com</a> (Eus) <br>
<a href="http://www.in-fluyendo.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">www.in-fluyendo.blogspot.com</a> (Sp)</span><span style="font-size:xx-small"><span style="font-family:Georgia,"Times New Roman",serif"><a href="http://www.bilbohiria.com/gaika/berbaz" target="_blank"> www.bilbohiria.com/gaika/berbaz</a><a href="http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=867335105560258260"> </a>(irratian) </span></span></span></span><span style="background-color:white"><i><span style="font-family:"Bell MT","serif"" lang="EU"><br>
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<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/5/21 Artur Silva <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arturfsilva@yahoo.com" target="_blank">arturfsilva@yahoo.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif"><div><div style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Ben and all (including Ian and Gerard, if they are in the list),</span><u></u><u></u></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</span>I watched the closing session via the broadcasting through the Internet,
but the sound was very bad, and I could understand almost nothing. Anyhow I
have putted a question to Harold via the OSLIST, asking him to put it on my
behalf, but my question arrived too late… Anyhow, I profit from a part of your
post to ask it again. </span><u></u><u></u></div>
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<u></u><u></u></span></span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">If I understood well, Gerard presented Spain on behalf of some
"Ian". Now, Ben, you have confirmed that, when you wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</span>« Gerard, who was acting as a proxy for
Spain, more or less </span><span>immediately
accepted Serbia's invite on their behalf », </span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span>and<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span><span><br>
</span>«</span> <span>Not
only were other </span>people participating virtually, but <b>one of the prospective hosts wasn't there himself
(Ian from Spain).</b> »<u></u><u></u></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<u></u><u></u></span></span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">The questions I would like to see clarified are the following:</span><u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<u></u><u></u></span></span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">- Who is this "Ian, from Spain"?<u></u><u></u></span></span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">- Is he Spanish?</span><u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">- Is there in Spain <b>any
community of facilitators</b> that I never heard about? (the only people in
Spain that does OST and that I have heard about is Eleder - but he is from the
Basque country - and, of course, there was Florian near Seville some years ago)<u></u><u></u></span></span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">- On the other hand I am often contacted by Spanish people that
would like to have an OST training or learn to facilitate OST (two from Madrid
some years ago, one from Valencia quite recently…).</span><u></u><u></u></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">- And who is this Ian? Is he an OST facilitator? I can't find any
post from him to the OSLIST, he is not in the NING, I don't remember any
comment from him in the OST Facebook group (which I don't follow regularly) nor
even in MP’s World Map (that I have consulted this time, even if I consider it
unreliable, and easy to replace by the free world map at the NING)?</span><u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<u></u><u></u></span></span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">The main point is that we always said that <b>a strong community of practice is a pre-requisite to propose (or
select) a country</b> <b>as the host for a future
WOSonOS</b>. <u></u><u></u></span></span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">So, where is that community in Spain, which I am so close to and can’t
discover it?</span><u></u><u></u></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> </span></span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Regards</span><u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</span>Artur </span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"> <div style="font-family:'times new roman','new york',times,serif;font-size:12pt">
<div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Ben Roberts <<a href="mailto:ben.roberts@charter.net" target="_blank">ben.roberts@charter.net</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> David O'Neill <<a href="mailto:doneill@mail.usf.edu" target="_blank">doneill@mail.usf.edu</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 20, 2013 8:38 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [OSList] WOSonOS 2014/2015/2016 invitations<br> </font> </div> <div><br>I'm curious what David meant when he suggested that our process was not<br>representative of
Open Space, and have copied him on this reply in case he<br>would like to weigh in, as I don't believe he is on the list serve.<br><br>For me, it was a prime example of self-organizing, so while we may not havve<br>
"done" OS to have the conversation, the spirit of OS was very much alive.<br>And in that conversation, the group discussed all the issues and questions<br>raised in this thread, e.g. having more than one WOSonOS in a year, asking<br>
what sort of "voting" we were going to use, asking if we felt it was<br>important to make the decision in that room and much more. And I'd say we<br>got clear "answers" to all those questions, usually right away.<br>
<br>Personally I found it stressful because I had a plane to catch, wanted to<br>stay for the entire closing circle and also have time for some good-byes.<br>Instead, because it took more time than "allotted," I left with the closing<br>
circle about 95% complete, which wasn't so bad. And, had I
used my smart<br>phone to check on the status of my flight (can you tell I'm not a<br>Millenial?!), I would have found that it was delayed 35 minutes and I could<br>have stayed to the very end. Lessons on many levels!<br>
<br>One thing that was interesting for me about the process was how<br>uncomfortable I felt suggesting that we should try to bring it to a close.<br>My sense is that I was far from alone in that discomfort, and that even<br>
folks who were not under time pressure might have been censoring themselves.<br>This speaks perhaps to a set of unexamined social agreements around making<br>sure we have thought through every single possible dimension of something<br>
before moving into a decision-making phase in order to "honor the group" and<br>avoid being hierarchical. I would like to suggeswt that this tendency might<br>not always serve us. As I tweeted, quoting words I heard Erwin Chemerinsky<br>
speak many years ago, "all decisions are
made based on 'insufficient'<br>information."<br><br>A clear preference did emerge in the room and once we accepted a process for<br>discerning it, we were done. Perhaps, my point above notwithstanding, we<br>
waited to mvoe into a process of taking the temperature of the room until we<br>all knew inuitively that something had coalesced. Seeing that display (I<br>would estimate about 80% of the room standing on the Serbia side of the<br>
carpet), Gerard, who was acting as a proxy for Spain, more or less<br>immediately accepted Serbia's invite on their behalf. I felt completely<br>satisfied that we had honored everyone, and was surprised by David's comment<br>
to the contrary in the closing. I also think we made an excellent choice for<br>many reasons. Not that I would have had any problem with Spain either (as I<br>expect was the case for most people in the room, and that may also have been<br>
a source of our slowness).<br><br>One final note about
Harrison's questioning of the decision being made by<br>the people in the room (and here I thought he was the one assuring us we<br>were the right people!). In fact, it was not just us. Not only were other<br>people particpating virtually, but one of the prospective hosts wasn't there<br>
himself (Ian from Spain). What struck me, as I made clear in speaking to<br>the circle at the time, was that Ian could have done any number of things to<br>make his invitation more compelling had he wanted to. He could have Skyped<br>
directly into the room--something I had let the OS-list know was possible on<br>several occassions over the previous days. He could have written a letter<br>for Gerard to read. He could have recorded a video, as the Chinese group did<br>
to offer their 2015 invite, etc. etc. The fact that he apparently chose not<br>to do anything like that (and that his proxy, Gerard, seemed rather<br>ambivalent about the whole thing
himself) stood in stark contrast to the<br>passion and energy that Jasmina was communicating. That made it a no<br>brainer for me, once I let go of my fear of "making the wrong choice."<br><br>So all in all, I would say that what happened was the only thing that could<br>
have (fancy that!) and that it was a valuable and thought-provoking<br>experience on multiple levels.<br><br>Peace,<br>Ben Roberts<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] On Behalf Of Kári Gunnarsson<br>Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 1:31 PM<br>To: World wide Open Space Technology email list<br>
Subject: Re: [OSList] WOSonOS 2014/2015/2016
invitations<br><br>Invitations full of wonder. Perhaps we have the chart in front of the horse.<br><br>I do not see the invitations to next years wosonos as some resolution from<br>our current discussions, but more of a invitation to continue the<br>
celebration of our common growth from the years past and future.<br><br>Is it essential to do the next years invitations at the end of the event, we<br>could just as easily do it at the beginning and use the Open Space to work<br>
with our hopes and sorrows where we can sleep on it and open more discussion<br>in the morning news of the second day if needed.<br><br><br><br><br>--<br>Kári Gunnarsson<br><a href="mailto:kari@openspace.is" target="_blank">kari@openspace.is</a><br>
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