<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><div style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Ben and all (including Ian and Gerard, if they are in the list),</span><o:p></o:p></div>
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</span>I watched the closing session via the broadcasting through the Internet,
but the sound was very bad, and I could understand almost nothing. Anyhow I
have putted a question to Harold via the OSLIST, asking him to put it on my
behalf, but my question arrived too late… Anyhow, I profit from a part of your
post to ask it again. </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">If I understood well, Gerard presented Spain on behalf of some
"Ian". Now, Ben, you have confirmed that, when you wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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</span>« Gerard, who was acting as a proxy for
Spain, more or less </span><span>immediately
accepted Serbia's invite on their behalf », </span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span>and<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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</span>«</span> <span>Not
only were other </span>people participating virtually, but <b>one of the prospective hosts wasn't there himself
(Ian from Spain).</b> »<o:p></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">The questions I would like to see clarified are the following:</span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">- Who is this "Ian, from Spain"?<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">- Is he Spanish?</span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">- Is there in Spain <b>any
community of facilitators</b> that I never heard about? (the only people in
Spain that does OST and that I have heard about is Eleder - but he is from the
Basque country - and, of course, there was Florian near Seville some years ago)<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">- On the other hand I am often contacted by Spanish people that
would like to have an OST training or learn to facilitate OST (two from Madrid
some years ago, one from Valencia quite recently…).</span><o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">- And who is this Ian? Is he an OST facilitator? I can't find any
post from him to the OSLIST, he is not in the NING, I don't remember any
comment from him in the OST Facebook group (which I don't follow regularly) nor
even in MP’s World Map (that I have consulted this time, even if I consider it
unreliable, and easy to replace by the free world map at the NING)?</span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">The main point is that we always said that <b>a strong community of practice is a pre-requisite to propose (or
select) a country</b> <b>as the host for a future
WOSonOS</b>. <o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">So, where is that community in Spain, which I am so close to and can’t
discover it?</span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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</span>Artur </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Ben Roberts <ben.roberts@charter.net><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> David O'Neill <doneill@mail.usf.edu> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 20, 2013 8:38 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [OSList] WOSonOS 2014/2015/2016 invitations<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br>I'm curious what David meant when he suggested that our process was not<br>representative of
Open Space, and have copied him on this reply in case he<br>would like to weigh in, as I don't believe he is on the list serve.<br><br>For me, it was a prime example of self-organizing, so while we may not havve<br>"done" OS to have the conversation, the spirit of OS was very much alive.<br>And in that conversation, the group discussed all the issues and questions<br>raised in this thread, e.g. having more than one WOSonOS in a year, asking<br>what sort of "voting" we were going to use, asking if we felt it was<br>important to make the decision in that room and much more. And I'd say we<br>got clear "answers" to all those questions, usually right away.<br><br>Personally I found it stressful because I had a plane to catch, wanted to<br>stay for the entire closing circle and also have time for some good-byes.<br>Instead, because it took more time than "allotted," I left with the closing<br>circle about 95% complete, which wasn't so bad. And, had I
used my smart<br>phone to check on the status of my flight (can you tell I'm not a<br>Millenial?!), I would have found that it was delayed 35 minutes and I could<br>have stayed to the very end. Lessons on many levels!<br><br>One thing that was interesting for me about the process was how<br>uncomfortable I felt suggesting that we should try to bring it to a close.<br>My sense is that I was far from alone in that discomfort, and that even<br>folks who were not under time pressure might have been censoring themselves.<br>This speaks perhaps to a set of unexamined social agreements around making<br>sure we have thought through every single possible dimension of something<br>before moving into a decision-making phase in order to "honor the group" and<br>avoid being hierarchical. I would like to suggeswt that this tendency might<br>not always serve us. As I tweeted, quoting words I heard Erwin Chemerinsky<br>speak many years ago, "all decisions are
made based on 'insufficient'<br>information."<br><br>A clear preference did emerge in the room and once we accepted a process for<br>discerning it, we were done. Perhaps, my point above notwithstanding, we<br>waited to mvoe into a process of taking the temperature of the room until we<br>all knew inuitively that something had coalesced. Seeing that display (I<br>would estimate about 80% of the room standing on the Serbia side of the<br>carpet), Gerard, who was acting as a proxy for Spain, more or less<br>immediately accepted Serbia's invite on their behalf. I felt completely<br>satisfied that we had honored everyone, and was surprised by David's comment<br>to the contrary in the closing. I also think we made an excellent choice for<br>many reasons. Not that I would have had any problem with Spain either (as I<br>expect was the case for most people in the room, and that may also have been<br>a source of our slowness).<br><br>One final note about
Harrison's questioning of the decision being made by<br>the people in the room (and here I thought he was the one assuring us we<br>were the right people!). In fact, it was not just us. Not only were other<br>people particpating virtually, but one of the prospective hosts wasn't there<br>himself (Ian from Spain). What struck me, as I made clear in speaking to<br>the circle at the time, was that Ian could have done any number of things to<br>make his invitation more compelling had he wanted to. He could have Skyped<br>directly into the room--something I had let the OS-list know was possible on<br>several occassions over the previous days. He could have written a letter<br>for Gerard to read. He could have recorded a video, as the Chinese group did<br>to offer their 2015 invite, etc. etc. The fact that he apparently chose not<br>to do anything like that (and that his proxy, Gerard, seemed rather<br>ambivalent about the whole thing
himself) stood in stark contrast to the<br>passion and energy that Jasmina was communicating. That made it a no<br>brainer for me, once I let go of my fear of "making the wrong choice."<br><br>So all in all, I would say that what happened was the only thing that could<br>have (fancy that!) and that it was a valuable and thought-provoking<br>experience on multiple levels.<br><br>Peace,<br>Ben Roberts<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a ymailto="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>[mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] On Behalf Of Kári Gunnarsson<br>Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 1:31 PM<br>To: World wide Open Space Technology email list<br>Subject: Re: [OSList] WOSonOS 2014/2015/2016
invitations<br><br>Invitations full of wonder. Perhaps we have the chart in front of the horse.<br><br>I do not see the invitations to next years wosonos as some resolution from<br>our current discussions, but more of a invitation to continue the<br>celebration of our common growth from the years past and future.<br><br>Is it essential to do the next years invitations at the end of the event, we<br>could just as easily do it at the beginning and use the Open Space to work<br>with our hopes and sorrows where we can sleep on it and open more discussion<br>in the morning news of the second day if needed.<br><br><br><br><br>--<br>Kári Gunnarsson<br><a ymailto="mailto:kari@openspace.is" href="mailto:kari@openspace.is">kari@openspace.is</a><br>gsm: +354 8645189<br>_______________________________________________<br>OSList mailing list<br>To post send emails to <a ymailto="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org"
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