<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><base href="x-msg://17/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi there, <div><br></div><div>I'm smiling big smile. Yes, I agree about the "nicies." In this case, it involved not making public what was going on. In this case a mistakes sense of "political correctness" methinks. </div><div><br></div><div>I'm waiting for a return call from the person who is the problem. I intend to do a bit of truth telling. I'm mad. Especially as this "bad apple" is always going on about wanting to build "community." Amazing how blind people can be to their own affect. </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the response. Happy Spring. Are you in Maine yet? </div><div><br></div><div><br><div>
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; "><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; "><span style="color: rgb(68, 73, 255); ">Annamarie Pluhar</span></span><div style="font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; "><span style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(57, 43, 235); font-family: 'Copperplate Gothic Bold'; font-weight: bold; ">Pluhar Consulting</span></div><div style="font-size: 11px; font-family: Arial; "><span style="color: rgb(57, 43, 235); font-family: 'Copperplate Gothic Light'; "><a href="http://www.pluharconsulting.com/">http://www.pluharconsulting.com</a></span></div><div style="font-family: Arial; "><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Calligraphy'; font-style: italic; ">802.451.1941</span></div><div style="font-family: Arial; "><font face="Lucida Calligraphy"><i style="font-family: 'Lucida Calligraphy'; font-style: italic; "><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Calligraphy'; font-style: italic; "><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Calligraphy'; font-style: italic; "><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Calligraphy'; font-style: italic; ">802.579.5975 (cell)</span></span></span></i></font></div></div><div><br></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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<br><div><div>On May 6, 2013, at 4:22 PM, "Harrison Owen" <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net">hhowen@verizon.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Annamarie – Yes I think that all systems are self organizing, but that doesn’t mean that all of them work perfectly all of the time, nor that they won’t come to an ending point. Indeed one of the marks of a self-organizing system (organic system) is that it always has a beginning, middle and end. So what about community gardens? Or community anything? Same thing, I think. As for your garden… Sounds to me like a classic case of the “Nicies” – Everybody wants to be “nice,” not say anything nasty (even if honest) so nothing gets said. And the results, sooner or later, are predictable. Communication closes down, system space contracts, and morbidity, even morality results. Living, self organizing systems don’t do very well when they can’t breathe. Or something…<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">ho<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Harrison Owen<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; 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text-decoration: underline; "><span style="color: blue; ">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:oslist-<a href="mailto:bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Annamarie Pluhar<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, May 06, 2013 11:01 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>World wide Open Space Technology email list<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [OSList] [SPAM] A.MX - Re: Ang.: How to assess the effectiveness of an OS Meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">HI all, <o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Slightly off topic, maybe, but I'd be interested in your thoughts. HO says (copied below) we are self-organizing top to bottom, beginning to end. <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">So how does one handle in a community garden the one person who consistently doesn't act in the best interests of the community but only insists on her perspective? Flouting agreements, signed contracts.. etc. etc. I think the answer is in total transparency? That the folks who knew this was going on didn't broadcast it and make it apparent to everyone else? <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Of course this is relevant to anytime you have a group of people doing something together: teamwork, project management... <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I often think of the adage "One bad apple spoils the barrel" .. I wonder if there are versions of this is German, French, Spanish, Swedish, Hebrew... ? Unlike in Open Space the gardeners can't pick up and move their gardens to another space.... (though I do fear some are opting out which will eventually kill the garden) <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Your thoughts? <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Thanks! <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 73, 255); ">Annamarie Pluhar</span></span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Copperplate Gothic Bold', sans-serif; color: rgb(57, 43, 235); ">Pluhar Consulting</span></b><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: 'Copperplate Gothic Light', sans-serif; color: rgb(57, 43, 235); "><a href="http://www.pluharconsulting.com/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.pluharconsulting.com</a></span><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: 'Lucida Calligraphy', serif; ">802.451.1941</span></i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: 'Lucida Calligraphy', serif; ">802.579.5975 (cell)</span></i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On May 6, 2013, at 8:56 AM, Harrison Owen <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">hhowen@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">We are, for better or worse, self organizing systems, top to bottom, beginning to end. And it remains true that organizing a self organizing system is not only an oxymoron, but futile and destructive.</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>OSList mailing list<br>To post send emails to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>To unsubscribe send an email to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:<br><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>