<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><br></div><div>"The pessimist resembles a man who observes with fear and sadness that his wall calendar, from which he daily tears a sheet, grows thinner each passing day.</div><div>On the other hand, the person who attacks the problems of life actively in like a man who removes each successive leaf from his calendar and files it neatly and carefully away with it's predecessors, after first having jotted down a few diary notes on the back. He can reflect with pride and joy on all the richness set down in these notes, on the life he has already lived to the fullest." </div><div>Doesn't the latter person keeps the space open, whereas the first ones closes it down?</div><div><br></div><div>A quote that I read in Viktor E Frankl's, man's search for meaning, while Paul addressed putting action planning at the beginning and subsequently a dialogue about past, present and future.</div><div>It was first published over 50 years ago, so many will have read it.</div><div>Frankl's LogoTherapy, making people fully aware of their own responsibilities, I find fascinating.</div><div><br></div><div>Does anyone in The Netherlands have more on this? I will visit NL end of April, early May. Possibly good stuff for the Stammtisch on May 6 ....</div><div><br></div><div>Gijs</div><div>From Shanghai</div><div><br><br><div><br></div>Send from iPad<div><br></div></div><div><br>On Mar 26, 2013, at 10:43 AM, GijsVanWezel <<a href="mailto:gijsvanwezel@gmail.com">gijsvanwezel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><br><br><div><br></div>Send from iPad<div><br></div></div><div><br>Begin forwarded message:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><b>From:</b> Michael M Pannwitz <<a href="mailto:mmpannwitz@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:mmpannwitz@gmail.com">mmpannwitz@gmail.com</a></a>><br><b>Date:</b> March 25, 2013 7:19:45 PM GMT+08:00<br><b>To:</b> World wide Open Space Technology email list <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org"><a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a></a>><br><b>Subject:</b> <b>Re: [OSList] Follow-Up and Flow in Open Space</b><br><b>Reply-To:</b> <a href="mailto:mmpannwitz@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:mmpannwitz@gmail.com">mmpannwitz@gmail.com</a></a>, World wide Open Space Technology email list <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org"><a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a></a>><br><br></div></blockquote><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Once upon a time, a monk left his monastery for a walk and settled under a shady tree to read his favorite novel. As he sat there he was completely enthralled by a bird singing his very best song. When the bird flew off, Peter, thats this monks name, closed his book and strolled back to his monastery. On knocking, the door opened and a brother he had not seen asked him what he wanted. Peter answered, that he was Peter and just returned from a short walk. The fellow that opened let him know that there was no Peter in the monastery. Peter insisted to be let in so the brother called the Prior who, upon thinking a bit, did remember a story of a Peter that left the monastery for a short walk 300 years ago and never showed up again.</span><br><span>Here you have a fat NOW, a birds song of a couple of minutes expanding into 300 years. Plenty of NOW in this now with loads of past and future.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Greetings from bright sunshine in Berlin with icy winds, still.</span><br><span>mmp</span><br><span></span><br><span>On 24.03.2013 23:28, Harrison Owen wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>It is only a manner of speaking. If your NOW is big enough it includes</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>what we (used to) call Past and Future. So how is that for esoterica?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>ho</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Harrison Owen</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>7808 River Falls Dr.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Potomac, MD 20854</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>USA</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Camden, Maine 04843</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Phone 301-365-2093</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>(summer) 207-763-3261</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.openspaceworld.com"><a href="http://www.openspaceworld.com">www.openspaceworld.com</a></a> <www.openspaceworld.com%20></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.ho-image.com"><a href="http://www.ho-image.com">www.ho-image.com</a></a> <www.ho-image.com%20> (Personal Website)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>OSLIST Go</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*From:*<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org"></a><a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org"><a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a></a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>[mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf Of *paul levy</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*Sent:* Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:55 PM</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*Subject:* Re: [OSList] Follow-Up and Flow in Open Space</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Harrison</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Yes, and more...</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>The "now" becomes enormous because it forms part of the time organism -</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>a living organism because past, present and future all live vibrantly</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>within it. This is no mere theory. Now is where we are present, but</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>before and beyond are where we are also alive.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>But no. The past isn't over. It is both before and before. The past lies</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>up ahead. The past is full of seeds but also it contains keys. The past</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>is a living picture playing in and out of the now. As does the future.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>History is the high-story.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Practically (and this is where a bias towards one dimension limits the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>opening of space)...</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>What do we wish had happened?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>What would have happened if ... ?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>What happened ?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>These are not questions for a past that is over and done with. These are</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>questions for the future "before us".</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Whatever happened is not the only thing that could have. Whatever</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>happened is one of my things that could happen.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Dive into that - if only for the game of it!</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>We can live many lives and still not get close to the real vistas of</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>space and time that wait to be opened. Potential lives in the whole time</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>organism, not only the now. There's something special about now, but its</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>not the whole story!</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Go on, imagine you might have missed a trick...!</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Paul</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Sunday, 24 March 2013, Harrison Owen wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Paul – “And it is why I believe that when we open space, we open space</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>not only for the future but for our whole "time organism".” I like it.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>If only because I wrote a book, “Expanding Our Now.” The idea is simple,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>maybe simple minded. But it goes like this: The past is over, the future</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>hasn’t happened yet. What we got is NOW. And how big can we make that? I</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>don’t know, but it is a lot bigger than most of us think – which is</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>usually measured in nanoseconds. A very small NOW. – But when we Open</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Space, my experience is that NOW becomes enormous. Well past</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>chronometric measurement. Or something.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>ho</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Harrison Owen</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>7808 River Falls Dr.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Potomac, MD 20854</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>USA</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Camden, Maine 04843</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Phone 301-365-2093</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>(summer) 207-763-3261</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.openspaceworld.com"><a href="http://www.openspaceworld.com">www.openspaceworld.com</a></a> <<a href="http://www.openspaceworld.com%20"><a href="http://www.openspaceworld.com%20">http://www.openspaceworld.com%20</a></a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.ho-image.com"><a href="http://www.ho-image.com">www.ho-image.com</a></a> <<a href="http://www.ho-image.com%20"><a href="http://www.ho-image.com%20">http://www.ho-image.com%20</a></a>> (Personal Website)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>OSLIST Go</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*From:*<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org"></a><a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org"><a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a></a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><javascript:_e(%7b%7d,%20'cvml',%20'<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org"><a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a></a>');></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>[mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><javascript:_e(%7b%7d,%20'cvml',%20'<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org"><a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a></a>');>]</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*On Behalf Of *paul levy</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*Sent:* Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:08 PM</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*Subject:* Re: [OSList] Follow-Up and Flow in Open Space</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Perfectly described, Koos!</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>And it is why I believe that when we open space, we open space not only</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>for the future but for our whole "time organism".</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>It is also why, if there must be "action planning" is need not only come</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>at the end!</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Time is linear, circular and many other things as well.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Warm rushes</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Paul</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Sunday, 24 March 2013, Koos de Heer wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Paul,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I once heard a story from someone who had been to Greece, interviewing</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>people about the political and economic situation there. He reports</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>that some people would say: “We can’t predict the future – after all,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>you have no idea of the things that are still hidden behind your back.”</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> The metaphor of the way time flows there is the opposite of ours. In</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Western Europe, we picture ourselves as looking to the future and having</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>the past behind our backs. Apparently in Greece, the people experience</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>the timeline so that the future is coming from behind and the past is</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>disappearing in front of them. So they are looking at the past and not</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>seeing the future. Which makes sense; we think we look at the future,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>but what are we looking at? Only images, because we don’t know what it</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>will be. Which also leads to the question whether our images from the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>past are correct, but that is another story.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>This leads me to wondering if there might be cultures where time is</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>viewed as circular, which would make even more sense to me.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Koos</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*Van:*<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org"></a><a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org"><a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a></a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org"><a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a></a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>[mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org] *Namens *paul levy</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*Verzonden:* zondag 24 maart 2013 19:37</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*Aan:* World wide Open Space Technology email list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*Onderwerp:* Re: [OSList] Follow-Up and Flow in Open Space</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>David</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>There's a depth and warm texture to your model.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I would offer this:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>You define vision this:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>"what does it look like when it is done"</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I believe that is only part of vision.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Vision is what does the temporal picture look like: the picture of past,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>present AND future, all playing into each other. As I said earlier -</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>what went before (past) is also before us (future, in front).</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>OSList mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To post send emails to <a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org"></a><a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org"><a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a></a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To unsubscribe send an email to <a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org"></a><a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org"><a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a></a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org"><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a></a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>-- </span><br><span>Michael M Pannwitz</span><br><span>Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany</span><br><span>++49 - 30-772 8000</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Check out the Open Space World Map presently showing 405 resident Open Space Workers in 72 countries working in a total of 143 countries worldwide: <a href="http://www.openspaceworldmap.org"></a><a href="http://www.openspaceworldmap.org"><a href="http://www.openspaceworldmap.org">www.openspaceworldmap.org</a></a></span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>OSList mailing list</span><br><span>To post send emails to <a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org"></a><a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org"><a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a></a></span><br><span>To unsubscribe send an email to <a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org"></a><a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org"><a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a></a></span><br><span>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:</span><br><span><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org"><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a></a></span><br><span></span><br></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></body></html>