correction on link <a href="http://www.autognomics.org/skye-blog">www.autognomics.org/skye-blog</a><br>Skye<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Skye Hirst <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:skyeh@autognomics.org" target="_blank">skyeh@autognomics.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I hesitate to introduce here the work of Autognomics but we have been studying and looking for living/life's "organizing principles (
<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria">"Organizing principles (scientific laws) are delimiting principles; they
exclude the infinity of the possible to create (and reveal) the actual.<span> </span>They exclude rather than predict or
simulate.<span> </span>They need not involve
finite variables, nor do they need to be deterministic or even
quasi-deterministic" Norm Hirst</span>) Such principles function within living entities" and cannot be observed empirically alone, (you will never see in the data what creates the data, NH) groups, organizations do exhibit such principles, of course, and we've seen such "process" laws as showing up in principles of "organisms" but to fully get at what and how these organizing principles work, we're still trying to get down to the most foundational which requires looking at the "metaphysics" defined here in the words of
<p>Metaphysics defined:<span>
</span>Bohm<span> </span></p>
<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria">Metaphysics is in esssence
a set of basic assumptions about the general order and structure of all
existence. Whenever we say “All is X”<span>
</span>or “X is always (or never) true” we are expressing a metaphysical
position. <br><br>Autopoiesis offers many of the "pointers" towards these principles - and there's lots of work needed to pull together many of these pointers (books like Holman's Engaging Emergence) to get to the metaphysics but I do believe those pointers experienced in Open Space processes are exhibited and experienced over and over again by life in many of its infinite forms. Love to continue with anyone interested in going into this process with us. The Lincoln Movie has lovely examples of these laws. I've written a bit about that on my blog <a href="http://www.autognomics.org/skye/blog" target="_blank">www.autognomics.org/skye/blog</a>. <br>
<br><a href="mailto:skyeh@autognomics.org" target="_blank">skyeh@autognomics.org</a><br><a href="http://www.autognomics.org" target="_blank">www.autognomics.org</a><br>twitter @autognomics<br><a href="tel:207-236-6331" value="+12072366331" target="_blank">207-236-6331</a><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 9:21 AM, JL Walker <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jlwalker@terra.cl" target="_blank">jlwalker@terra.cl</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5">
<div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Hi Chris and all,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">While I've not studied them sufficiently, I think that Humberto Maturana and Francisco Varela have many of the answers that you are looking for through its formulation of the process called “autopoiesis”.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Please see the following links in Wikipedia:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopoiesis" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopoiesis</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humberto_Maturana" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humberto_Maturana</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Varela" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Varela</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN">"<i><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_systems" title="Living systems" target="_blank">Living systems</a> are cognitive systems, and living as a process is a process of cognition</i>. This statement is valid for all organisms, with or without a nervous system."</span><u><sup><span style="color:blue" lang="EN"><u></u><u></u></span></sup></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><sup><span style="color:blue" lang="EN"><u></u><span style="text-decoration:none"> </span><u></u></span></sup></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I hope is useful.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Hugs,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Juan Luis<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="ES">De:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="ES"> <a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] <b>En nombre de </b>Chris Weaver<br>
<b>Enviado el:</b> sábado, 15 de diciembre de 2012 11:25<br><b>Para:</b> <a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br><b>Asunto:</b> [OSList] patterns in nature and open space<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Hi OSList,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I am interested in ways that OST and other methodologies flow according to patterns that are present in living systems in nature (Some would use the term biomimicry).<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Do any of you have some specific examples from biology, ecology, and the like of natural patterns and systems that are in some way similar to OST?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks!<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Chris<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div>
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