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<br><div><div>On 15 Nov 2012, at 21:04, <a href="mailto:oslist-request@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist-request@lists.openspacetech.org</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Send OSList mailing list submissions to<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org<br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>oslist-request@lists.openspacetech.org<br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>oslist-owner@lists.openspacetech.org<br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: How do we manage time in an evening+morning shortish OS?<br> (II part of:: How do we invite key and high conflicted people?)<br> (Eleder_BuM)<br> 2. Re: How do we manage time in an evening+morning shortish OS?<br> (II part of:: How do we invite key and high conflicted people?)<br> (Suzanne Daigle)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:37:13 +0100<br>From: Eleder_BuM <eleder.aurtenetxe@gmail.com><br>To: World wide Open Space Technology email list<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><OSList@lists.openspacetech.org><br>Subject: Re: [OSList] How do we manage time in an evening+morning<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>shortish OS? (II part of:: How do we invite key and high conflicted<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>people?)<br>Message-ID:<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><CAK1+_w9Cqyt0AVg0ZU2eVpZdz8GfJmJW_a8v7EDK0Z_ZOU17Sg@mail.gmail.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>Hi lovely people around! Some lines with feedback of one OS meeting I<br>presented on the list.<br><br>The Open Space meeting in Zerain has been fantastic and has offered us some<br>learning also. Here you can watch a picture of the opening in the church of<br>the village and read the conversations?<br>reports<http://zerainherrieredua.wordpress.com/>.<br>Have you got any Basque speaker around? A good chance to approach her/him<br>for a coffee,.. :o)!<br><br>At last, no one from "the critics" came. They were invited, they liked the<br>idea,... but no one came around. Would they have come if we as facilitators<br>had met them in a previous meeting? How could we have the sponsors and<br>thier critics to think the big question and write and expand the invitation<br>together?<br><br>Sponsors seemed easy with this, though, ("we invited them, we would have<br>liked them in,... but whoever comes,...". Yes, the 1st principle brought<br>them a big amount of serenity...:o)!<br><br>Maybe next time? This will be an important issue in the evaluation meeting.<br><br>People loved OS. Many of them said at the closing thinks like...<br>"I was very afraid of such a long meeting,... and it happened to feel<br>short..."<br>"I was afraid of one more fashion technique, that tend to be mainly<br>bubbles,... but this felt very simple and deep stuff..."<br><br>After reading your wise advice, finally, I opted to open the possibility<br>for new subjects+action proposals during the second morning (The OS, was<br>Friday 16:00-21:00 + Saturday 10:00-14:00). The group stayed in just more<br>conversations (not much action proposed yet), with some inspirations for<br>future action, yes. My learning here was clear. As Lisa had suggested, it<br>would have been easier for me to propose from the beginning a just<br>conversation OS. Perhaps asking (in the last 30 minutes before the closing)<br>for action ideas and quick multivoting, maybe .<br><br>Thanks so much for your support,<br><br>xoxo,<br><br>@Eleder_BuM <http://twitter.com/Eleder_BuM><br><br>pd: I co-facilitated with someone new to OS, but very experienced in other<br>kinds of facilitation, Asier Gallastegi <http://korapilatzen.com/blog/>,<br>and the work as a tandem was fantastic. I (no car) even drove his car (he<br>has no licence) :D! Besides, he has done a great visual documenting work,<br>and we?ll be editing and publishing it soon.<br><br><br><br><br><br>2012/10/23 Eleder_BuM <eleder.aurtenetxe@gmail.com><br><br><blockquote type="cite">Some weeks ago I asked some questions regarding and OS in which we had a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">big concern: how to invite a small and conflicted group (you can see the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">message below),... After a conversation beween both parts it seems that<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">this group is willing to come to the OS.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Now I come with another question.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> - the subject is quite broad (*The self-managing model of our town:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> how do we make it a continually innovating one? *. You can see context<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> and subject below).<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> - we have scheduled Friday (16:00-21:00) & Saturday (10:00-14:00),<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> shiortish I would say, for such a wide topic and conflicted context,...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> - we told the promotors that we would have action proposals and first<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> meetings during the second morning... and I?m thinking now that might be an<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> error. I?m afraid that we are giving too short time for just<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> conversations as they emerge, forcing a bit all the stuff to have a report<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> with *recommended actions*<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The thing as we had proposed would be sth like:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Friday 15:30 reception; 16: openinng; 17: first convs; 18: 15; 2nd convs;<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">19: 30: 3rd convs 20: 45 evening news<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Saturday: 10:00 morning anouncements; 10:30 Action proposals 11:00 Action<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">teams meetings 12:30 Action teams short reports 13:00 closing<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">*I would like better now sth more spaced and real* (things tend to delay<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">a bit around here :o), like:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Friday 15:30 reception; 16: openinng; 17:30 first convs; 19:00 2nd convs;<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">20:30 evening news<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Saturday: 10:00 morning anouncements; *10:30 3rd convs *(from first day<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">proposals)* 12:00 Action proposals+meetings+short reporting *13:30 closing<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">but this kind of Saturday morning would be new to me, combining stuff from<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">first day proposals with time for action proposals,...convening the big<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">dircle at midday 12:00 for new action proposals,... and I feel a bit<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">unsure that would be working fine...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Any similar experience? Any suggestions?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Love,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">** <https://twitter.com/Eleder_BuM>@Eleder_BuM<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> www.flowandshow.blogspot.com (En) www.burumapak.blogspot.com (Basque)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">www.in-fluyendo.blogspot.com (Sp) www.bilbohiria.com/gaika/berbaz (radio)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Context:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">A 300 people?s village council. They are proud for their 40 years<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">experience of self-management, very common in the ancient Basque tradition,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">but very uncommon here, these days. Every 4 years people that want to get<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">involved in the administration will appear, and citizens choose (before the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">official polls) who will be the representatives. Then the 7 people more<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">voted form the only list on the official polls and form the ruling team for<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the next 4 years.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Then, some 8 self-managed and executive teams are formed (whoever comes<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">been the right people; nowadays some 60-80 people taking part<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">regularly),...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Political parties -that rule the neighbour towns- have no word here. "It?s<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">just we the people who govern ourselves".<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Sponsor:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The 7 elected people that now are ruling. 6 amateurs, just one technician<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">paid.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subject: *The self-managing model of our town: how do we make it a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">continually innovating one? *<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">From: Eleder_BuM <eleder.aurtenetxe@gmail.com><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Date: 2012/9/14<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subject: How do we invite key and high conflicted people?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To: World wide Open Space Technology email list <<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Hi all !<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Last day we had the first meeting with the sponsors of a 1?5 OS. We expect<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">som 70 participants.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">We could define the subject, dates (9th & 10th Nov). We designed the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">invitation text and process. We arranged for the logistics,...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">There?s still something important un solved. I?ll try to explain it<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">shortly:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Context:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">A 300 people?s village council. They are proud for their 40 years<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">experience of self-management, very common in the ancient Basque tradition,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">but very uncommon here, these days. Every 4 years people that want to get<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">involved in the administration will appear, and citizens choose (before the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">official polls) who will be the representatives. Then the 7 people more<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">voted form the only list on the official polls and form the ruling team for<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the next 4 years.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Then, some 8 self-managed and executive teams are formed (whoever comes<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">been the right people; nowadays some 60-80 people taking part<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">regularly),...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Political parties -that rule the neighbour towns- have no word here. "It?s<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">just we the people who govern ourselves".<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Sponsor:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The 7 elected people that now are ruling. 6 amateurs, just one technician<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">paid.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subject: *The self-managing model of our town: how do we make it a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">continually innovating one? *<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">There?s *a group of some 10 people highly opposed to the managing and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">ruling model*. They have become a problem for the ruling team. The mayor<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">said on the meeting: *"I would like to sleep well after taking<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">decissions..."*. They are part of main political parties and are said to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">be planning to "break the self-management tradition ". Last months they<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">have written and put in the post-boxes of the neighbours very critical<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">annonimous writings against the council team,...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Invitation:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The sponsors want* to have all the people from the town rethink, adapt,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">their model. They want that everyone feels part of it. They want that even<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the minorities can feel represented. *<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">But they say that "the others" just usually say ?*"I don?t like this;<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">neither this; neither this,... "* but don?t help to solve anything.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">We?ll invite, too, people from outside the village to enrich the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">conversations, bring some fresh air and new views,...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Problem:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">They think that this "10 opponents" will probably refuse coming. Everyone<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">of us agreed that the OS would be richer if they take part. That conflict<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">could transform in great new process,...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">During the meeting we agreed that the person of the sponsors (council team<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">of 7) in best terms with the "leader" of the opponents would meet her and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">explain that the OS will be a good opportunity to find solutions to the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">conflict and grow for everyone,...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Some questions:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> - how would you act as facilitators?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> - Should we just wait and see?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> - If, as expected, they decline the invitation, should we as "neutral"<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> facilitators have another try to have then come?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> - Should we contact the sponsors before they meet the opponents and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> ask to be present during this invitation meeting?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> - Could it be better to tell the sponsor "let us contact the opponents<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> directly and meet them, as you are part of the conflict and they will<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> probably refuse you"?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> - Could we invite them to co-write the invitation, to take part in the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> designing process?...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">After several OS processes facilitated since Berlin, this one is probably<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the one that best fits the 5 conditions for OS... it has deep conflict! I?m<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">eager with it, yeah! And I would really love to have *all *the system in<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the room, and the highly conflicted minority are an important part, I<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">guess...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Any ideas?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Enjoy this great day,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Eleder<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">@Eleder_BuM <http://twitter.com/Eleder_BuM> (Twitter)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">www.burumapak.blogspot.com<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">www.flowandshow.blogspot.com<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <http://twitter.com/Eleder_BuM><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20121115/2bbd230c/attachment.html><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 04:55:00 -0500<br>From: Suzanne Daigle <sdaigle4@gmail.com><br>To: World wide Open Space Technology email list<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><oslist@lists.openspacetech.org><br>Subject: Re: [OSList] How do we manage time in an evening+morning<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>shortish OS? (II part of:: How do we invite key and high conflicted<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>people?)<br>Message-ID:<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><CAJh+fLCn78ou-daJ-NbwwhWggbewbZpqys3F-prg-2yR6043QQ@mail.gmail.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>Wonderful Eleder! Loved reading this and feeling the energy of the group.<br>On Nov 15, 2012 4:40 AM, "Eleder_BuM" <eleder.aurtenetxe@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Hi lovely people around! Some lines with feedback of one OS meeting I<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">presented on the list.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The Open Space meeting in Zerain has been fantastic and has offered us<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">some learning also. Here you can watch a picture of the opening in the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">church of the village and read the conversations? reports<http://zerainherrieredua.wordpress.com/>.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Have you got any Basque speaker around? A good chance to approach her/him<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">for a coffee,.. :o)!<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">At last, no one from "the critics" came. They were invited, they liked the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">idea,... but no one came around. Would they have come if we as facilitators<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">had met them in a previous meeting? How could we have the sponsors and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">thier critics to think the big question and write and expand the invitation<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">together?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Sponsors seemed easy with this, though, ("we invited them, we would have<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">liked them in,... but whoever comes,...". Yes, the 1st principle brought<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">them a big amount of serenity...:o)!<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Maybe next time? This will be an important issue in the evaluation meeting.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">People loved OS. Many of them said at the closing thinks like...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">"I was very afraid of such a long meeting,... and it happened to feel<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">short..."<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">"I was afraid of one more fashion technique, that tend to be mainly<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">bubbles,... but this felt very simple and deep stuff..."<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">After reading your wise advice, finally, I opted to open the possibility<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">for new subjects+action proposals during the second morning (The OS, was<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Friday 16:00-21:00 + Saturday 10:00-14:00). The group stayed in just more<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">conversations (not much action proposed yet), with some inspirations for<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">future action, yes. My learning here was clear. As Lisa had suggested, it<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">would have been easier for me to propose from the beginning a just<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">conversation OS. Perhaps asking (in the last 30 minutes before the closing)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">for action ideas and quick multivoting, maybe .<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Thanks so much for your support,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">xoxo,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">@Eleder_BuM <http://twitter.com/Eleder_BuM><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">pd: I co-facilitated with someone new to OS, but very experienced in other<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">kinds of facilitation, Asier Gallastegi <http://korapilatzen.com/blog/>,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">and the work as a tandem was fantastic. I (no car) even drove his car (he<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">has no licence) :D! Besides, he has done a great visual documenting work,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">and we?ll be editing and publishing it soon.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">2012/10/23 Eleder_BuM <eleder.aurtenetxe@gmail.com><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Some weeks ago I asked some questions regarding and OS in which we had a<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">big concern: how to invite a small and conflicted group (you can see the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">message below),... After a conversation beween both parts it seems that<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">this group is willing to come to the OS.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Now I come with another question.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> - the subject is quite broad (*The self-managing model of our town:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> how do we make it a continually innovating one? *. You can see<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> context and subject below).<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> - we have scheduled Friday (16:00-21:00) & Saturday (10:00-14:00),<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> shiortish I would say, for such a wide topic and conflicted context,...<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> - we told the promotors that we would have action proposals and first<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> meetings during the second morning... and I?m thinking now that might be an<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> error. I?m afraid that we are giving too short time for just<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> conversations as they emerge, forcing a bit all the stuff to have a report<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> with *recommended actions*<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">The thing as we had proposed would be sth like:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Friday 15:30 reception; 16: openinng; 17: first convs; 18: 15; 2nd convs;<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">19: 30: 3rd convs 20: 45 evening news<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Saturday: 10:00 morning anouncements; 10:30 Action proposals 11:00 Action<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">teams meetings 12:30 Action teams short reports 13:00 closing<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">*I would like better now sth more spaced and real* (things tend to delay<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">a bit around here :o), like:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Friday 15:30 reception; 16: openinng; 17:30 first convs; 19:00 2nd convs;<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">20:30 evening news<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Saturday: 10:00 morning anouncements; *10:30 3rd convs *(from first day<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">proposals)* 12:00 Action proposals+meetings+short reporting *13:30<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">closing<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">but this kind of Saturday morning would be new to me, combining stuff<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">from first day proposals with time for action proposals,...convening the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">big dircle at midday 12:00 for new action proposals,... and I feel a bit<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">unsure that would be working fine...<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Any similar experience? Any suggestions?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Love,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">** <https://twitter.com/Eleder_BuM>@Eleder_BuM<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> www.flowandshow.blogspot.com (En) www.burumapak.blogspot.com (Basque)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">www.in-fluyendo.blogspot.com (Sp) www.bilbohiria.com/gaika/berbaz (radio)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Context:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">A 300 people?s village council. They are proud for their 40 years<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">experience of self-management, very common in the ancient Basque tradition,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">but very uncommon here, these days. Every 4 years people that want to get<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">involved in the administration will appear, and citizens choose (before the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">official polls) who will be the representatives. Then the 7 people more<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">voted form the only list on the official polls and form the ruling team for<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the next 4 years.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Then, some 8 self-managed and executive teams are formed (whoever comes<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">been the right people; nowadays some 60-80 people taking part<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">regularly),...<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Political parties -that rule the neighbour towns- have no word here.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">"It?s just we the people who govern ourselves".<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Sponsor:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">The 7 elected people that now are ruling. 6 amateurs, just one technician<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">paid.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Subject: *The self-managing model of our town: how do we make it a<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">continually innovating one? *<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">From: Eleder_BuM <eleder.aurtenetxe@gmail.com><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Date: 2012/9/14<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Subject: How do we invite key and high conflicted people?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">To: World wide Open Space Technology email list <<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hi all !<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Last day we had the first meeting with the sponsors of a 1?5 OS. We<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">expect som 70 participants.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">We could define the subject, dates (9th & 10th Nov). We designed the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">invitation text and process. We arranged for the logistics,...<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">There?s still something important un solved. I?ll try to explain it<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">shortly:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Context:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">A 300 people?s village council. They are proud for their 40 years<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">experience of self-management, very common in the ancient Basque tradition,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">but very uncommon here, these days. Every 4 years people that want to get<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">involved in the administration will appear, and citizens choose (before the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">official polls) who will be the representatives. Then the 7 people more<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">voted form the only list on the official polls and form the ruling team for<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the next 4 years.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Then, some 8 self-managed and executive teams are formed (whoever comes<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">been the right people; nowadays some 60-80 people taking part<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">regularly),...<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Political parties -that rule the neighbour towns- have no word here.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">"It?s just we the people who govern ourselves".<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Sponsor:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">The 7 elected people that now are ruling. 6 amateurs, just one technician<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">paid.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Subject: *The self-managing model of our town: how do we make it a<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">continually innovating one? *<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">There?s *a group of some 10 people highly opposed to the managing and<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">ruling model*. They have become a problem for the ruling team. The mayor<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">said on the meeting: *"I would like to sleep well after taking<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">decissions..."*. They are part of main political parties and are said to<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">be planning to "break the self-management tradition ". Last months they<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">have written and put in the post-boxes of the neighbours very critical<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">annonimous writings against the council team,...<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Invitation:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">The sponsors want* to have all the people from the town rethink, adapt,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">their model. They want that everyone feels part of it. They want that even<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the minorities can feel represented. *<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">But they say that "the others" just usually say ?*"I don?t like this;<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">neither this; neither this,... "* but don?t help to solve anything.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">We?ll invite, too, people from outside the village to enrich the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">conversations, bring some fresh air and new views,...<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Problem:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">They think that this "10 opponents" will probably refuse coming. Everyone<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">of us agreed that the OS would be richer if they take part. That conflict<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">could transform in great new process,...<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">During the meeting we agreed that the person of the sponsors (council<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">team of 7) in best terms with the "leader" of the opponents would meet her<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">and explain that the OS will be a good opportunity to find solutions to the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">conflict and grow for everyone,...<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Some questions:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> - how would you act as facilitators?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> - Should we just wait and see?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> - If, as expected, they decline the invitation, should we as<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> "neutral" facilitators have another try to have then come?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> - Should we contact the sponsors before they meet the opponents and<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> ask to be present during this invitation meeting?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> - Could it be better to tell the sponsor "let us contact the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> opponents directly and meet them, as you are part of the conflict and they<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> will probably refuse you"?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> - Could we invite them to co-write the invitation, to take part in<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> the designing process?...<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">After several OS processes facilitated since Berlin, this one is probably<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the one that best fits the 5 conditions for OS... it has deep conflict! I?m<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">eager with it, yeah! And I would really love to have *all *the system in<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the room, and the highly conflicted minority are an important part, I<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">guess...<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Any ideas?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Enjoy this great day,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Eleder<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">@Eleder_BuM <http://twitter.com/Eleder_BuM> (Twitter)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">www.burumapak.blogspot.com<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">www.flowandshow.blogspot.com<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> <http://twitter.com/Eleder_BuM><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">OSList mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To unsubscribe send an email to OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20121115/9bc0e3f2/attachment-0001.htm><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>OSList mailing list<br>To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org<br>To unsubscribe send an email to OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org<br>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:<br>http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org<br><br><br>End of OSList Digest, Vol 21, Issue 10<br>**************************************<br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>