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An anchoring point for our community to connect as a whole – yes everyone cannot be present physically, but to me it’s something special even if I cannot join and usually there are options to connect via other media. I think the OS-list is another one of these anchoring points that hold our community together as a whole.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think it’s up to the host to decide how to organize although I expect we stick to “OST by the book”. The rest is up to the passion of the host – and I love the extras offered. Good to keep in mind though, to give maximum freedom maximum choice. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I would also enjoy a really simple WOSonOS. I can see the risk of expectations rising for each WOSonOS but if we keep on reminding ourselves about – one less thing to do – we should be able to remember that option. So, this is an important breakout sessions – as they all are.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I guess it’s free to anyone (passion and responsibility) to work on creating guidelines, if anyone think that is needed. There might be a break out group preparing a proposal, presenting it to the community – then, I don’t know if we can make a community decision but we might find out </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Or this conversation might be all that we need.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I don’t see WOSonOS being something hindering OSonOS’ – we just had our 10<sup>th</sup> Annual Scandinavian=1<sup>st</sup> Nordic, as it now transformed to Nordic (NOSonOS) when our Finnish neighbors joined taking turns organizing. Every time we have had an invitation to facilitators from “Scandinavia/Nordic countries and from elsewhere in the world”. So there we have some more contributions to the list of OSonOS’ – wow it’s growing!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My million kronor<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thomas Herrmann<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Från:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a> [<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] <b>För </b>Michael Herman<br><b>Skickat:</b> den 24 oktober 2012 20:17<br><b>Till:</b> World wide Open Space Technology email list<br><b>Ämne:</b> Re: [OSList] OSONOS Whenever, Wherever, with Whomsoever<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>yes yes to all of the considerations you've outlined here, lisa. in the last few years, i've been suggesting to people that facilitating open space is a practice in making choices... having so little pre-set structure means we are resting in making choices about how to be all through the event... and asking participants to do that too.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>on the chairs bit, as an example of how obvious things can have unintended effects, in my first open space, for about 120 people, i set out several circles of 15 chairs. some groups met with only three people, not surprisingly. but this was a group that didn't now each other very well. several of those big breakout circles ended up staying big, and people sat far apart, keeping their distance. maybe they chose that, maybe not. but every os since then, i mark breakout spaces with stacks of chairs near the corners and just three chairs pushed completely together, front corners all touching, so that anyone who meets there will definitely make the choice for themselves. it's a small thing, but i like to look out at the shape of the circles and know that everybody chose that shape.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>also, i often advise community groups (no or very small central budget) like ours that food is not the necessity that it would seem. food options are critical, of course, if the event is any length at all... but that's very different and much more work and guessing and expense than simply choosing a location where any participant can pop out any time and pick from a variety of food establishments. the first four osonos gatherings, the only no-driving option was the hotel dining room, but there were many choices on the menu and the cost was completely determined by each participant. no money was collected as part of the registration, no menu choices made, no food budget calculated, no food preferences/restrictions tabulated, and so on. sometimes there is some reason to bring food in and stay deep in the work, but more often than not, and always at osonos i think, there is real value in letting everyone keep their food allowance to themselves and organize their own meal excursions, in whatever groups or solos they might choose. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>and to harold's earlier point about love and joy, even those can be a two-edged sword... i might really want to cook you dinner, but if it's food you'd rather not eat, or at a time or place you'd not choose for yourself, the gift is not so great. the greatest gift we can give, i think, is space and choices.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>m<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <br>--<br><br>Michael Herman<br>Michael Herman Associates<br>312-280-7838 (mobile)<br><br><a href="http://MichaelHerman.com" target="_blank">http://MichaelHerman.com</a><br><a href="http://OpenSpaceWorld.org" target="_blank">http://OpenSpaceWorld.org</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Lisa Heft <<a href="mailto:lisaheft@openingspace.net" target="_blank">lisaheft@openingspace.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I am glad that this session at the WOSonOS also talked about what is lost if chairs are not used, and what is created if chairs are used.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I for one would not be able to attend a session without chairs.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Which is fine - whoever comes. But the removal of chairs would remove me from having the option to join that particular discussion.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>So Whoever Comes would not be me, and not by my choice.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>My hope is that with every single detail we think about adjusting, dropping or adding - we simply think for a moment (before doing it) why we are doing / not doing it, who and what it serves, what will be added or offset by our doing it. Is it because of cost? Then what are the other creative things we can do about cost. Is it about freedom? Then is it a projection of our own individual sense of freedom and felt by others the same way? Is it about providing resources? Then what resources can we gather or make visible that diverse kinds of participants can choose so that they, too, are Whoever Comes?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>My sadness about where 'one less thing' means less inclusion... turns to happiness when more thought and creativity creates more opportunity...<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>I am all for simple, and for not doing 'for' people while facilitating an Open Space. But as a host of Open Space or any other dialogic process - I like to practice thinking of the complexity of what it is that I cannot see but can provide options for... And as a participant in Open Space or any other dialogic process, I notice when someone like me - or someone not like me - has been giving the richness of choice, comfort and access.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Loving this conversation...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'>Lisa<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Oct 24, 2012, at 9:49 AM, Harold Shinsato wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"'><a href="http://www.devotedanddisgruntled.com/events/world-open-space-open-space/reports/os-circles-opening-evening-news-break-ups-without/" target="_blank">http://www.devotedanddisgruntled.com/events/world-open-space-open-space/reports/os-circles-opening-evening-news-break-ups-without/</a><br><br>The last one was about doing open space without chairs. That's a cool conversation because removing chairs brings options for lower cost.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>OSList mailing list<br>To post send emails to <a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>To unsubscribe send an email to <a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:<br><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" target="_blank">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>