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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Harold – If I thought for a moment that Michael were “insisting” on anything, as if that would have any impact (and the same goes for me) – I would instantaneously invite Friend Michael for a short conversation in the woodshed – as if that would do any good</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> My read is that he was just posing hypotheticals, perhaps with a touch of hyperbole. Danger of words I suspect. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Harrison <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Harrison Owen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>7808 River Falls Dr.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Potomac, MD 20854<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>USA<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Camden, Maine 20854<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Phone 301-365-2093<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(summer) 207-763-3261<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="www.openspaceworld.com%20"><span style='color:blue'>www.openspaceworld.com</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="www.ho-image.com%20"><span style='color:blue'>www.ho-image.com</span></a> (Personal Website)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'>To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to:<a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org"><span style='color:blue'>http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org [mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Harold Shinsato<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 24, 2012 3:28 AM<br><b>To:</b> World wide Open Space Technology email list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] OSONOS Whenever, Wherever, with Whomsoever<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Michael,<br><br>With trepidation I continue this conversation despite the sense that we're alone in a circle and everyone else on the list are using the law of de-lete. I hope you don't mind if I reflect back a few of your statements.<br><br>"What if anyone could indeed convene an osonos?"<br><br>I don't get your question. Anyone can indeed convene an OSonOS.<br><br>"what if the notes from all of these osonos events were posted to this one site? ...so that the W came to denote ALL of our work IN open space ON open space? wouldn't this be a gem of a demonstration that we are living our practice and inviting anyone to join us as colleagues, not just as trainees?"<br><br>It sounds like you're saying if you do an OSonOS and you don't post to "this one site", then you're not living the practice (i.e. out of integrity) and you are inviting people as trainees. Will you explain these sentiments? I'm not getting it.<br><br>"[...] we insist on having this annual keynote event?"<br><br>My head spins and my heart hurts reading this statement. First of all, the word "insist" connotes some kind of pushiness. Like it's being imposed. For me what Phelim did in London was a wonderful and beautiful expression of love and passion for Open Space - and for advancing this powerful dialogic practice in the U.K. and in the world. Phelim, the volunteers, and all the attendees of both the WOSonOS and the "road show" of Open Space events leading up to the event made great sacrifices and from my perspective were gloriously successful - despite the postfacto criticisms. If anything, I think the intensity of the criticisms are evidence of how much the London WOSonOS succeeded! We're riding a big wave in the aftermath of that event!<br><br>My own desire to support Suzanne Daigle to hold this event again in Florida in 2013 has absolutely nothing to do with the word "insist". I wish you could understand how it stings when I hear that word - but obviously it expresses some part of your experience. Will you say more from your heart what's behind choosing that word?<br><br>Secondly, it sounds like a very harsh judgement for the WOSonOS to be called a "keynote" event - like it's evidence that our community is out of integrity since obviously Open Space is all about not having keynotes (a sentiment I don't actually share). Do in fact all Open Space on Open Space events need to be equal? If someone wants to hold an Open Space on Open Space event just for those who speak Hawaiian - and they call it a Hawaiian Open Space on Open Space (HOSonOS) - is that a problem? The World Open Space community has been holding these WOSonOS's for decades so it seems pretty clear we *like* to do these events. Your call to kill them off deeply saddens me - and yet I sense this conversation is critical. I hope you don't mind me sharing from the heart how I am hearing your words, and if I am mishearing you I will work hard to keep my mind and heart open.<br><br> Peace,<br> Harold<br><br><br>On 10/23/12 5:49 PM, Michael Herman wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222;background:white'>Harold, you said: But I'd be saddened if we somehow forbid the "W". It feels like closing, not opening space.</span><br clear=all> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>What if instead we agreed to stretch the W, Harold? What if anyone could indeed convene an osonos? what if anyone could indeed convene an osonos gathering and what if it was as simple as posting an invitation to the oslist and to a website shared by all osonos events? what if the notes from all of these osonos events were posted to this one site? ...so that the W came to denote ALL of our work IN open space ON open space? wouldn't this be a gem of a demonstration that we are living our practice and inviting anyone to join us as colleagues, not just as trainees? what if learning open space came to mean buy the book, try it out, and find an osonos gathering to process it with others who cared about open space? what if there were than many osonos's happening all around the world? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>maintaining this special label on one annual event feels an awful lot like the preferential treatment other groups give to the keynote speaker. often it's quite and interesting talk, people spend a lot of energy choosing these people and setting up a big room and podium and screens and such... but we know they're missing something magical, because everyone is not talking with everyone. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>how can we be sure that we're not missing something amazing because we insist on having this annual keynote event? and asking if there were any other offers to host is a bit misleading, because the structure of the process precludes most from even considering it. I was actually thinking about convening one, but given the invitation presentation hoopla, my plan was to offer to do all the admin details if harrison would reserve that camden church again. but suzanned called me before i could call harrison. the point is the habit/structure we have makes many things impossible to consider, in the same way that a keynote speaker makes it hard (not impossible, but harder) for people to connect with others who share their passion. we can't assume that because everyone is listening to the speaker politely that they all care or that they don't have other, greater passions and gifts to offer.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>m<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>Harold Shinsato<br><a href="mailto:harold@shinsato.com">harold@shinsato.com</a><br><a href="http://shinsato.com">http://shinsato.com</a><br>twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/hajush">@hajush</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></body></html>