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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kari – It has always seemed to me that the real value of the notes from various sessions was/is just to alert anybody-interested in the general thrust and content of that session. Any similarity between OS Reports and formal, edited, officially sanctioned minutes is purely co-incidental. I always tried to label the “Proceedings” DRAFT, back in the days when we had hard copy – just to make the point that it is all a work in progress. But the good news is that -- should you be interested, but not quite understand – you have the name (and usually email) of the author. Talk to them</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Harrison<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Harrison Owen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>7808 River Falls Dr.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Potomac, MD 20854<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>USA<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Camden, Maine 20854<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Phone 301-365-2093<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(summer) 207-763-3261<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="www.openspaceworld.com%20"><span style='color:blue'>www.openspaceworld.com</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="www.ho-image.com%20"><span style='color:blue'>www.ho-image.com</span></a> (Personal Website)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'>To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to:<a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org"><span style='color:blue'>http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org [mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kári Gunnarsson<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 24, 2012 6:58 AM<br><b>To:</b> World wide Open Space Technology email list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] The role of session transcribers, this is my oslist session invite.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>These are good questions<br><br>I think that bad notes are fine for the people that participated in a session. Now I have been reading the notes from London Wosonos as I was not able to be at location, these notes are a narrow window into the conversations that took place, like half shadows of the dialog that was there. Also in the blog of some critics there are complaints abut the quality of note takers work with the context of "My contribution is not in the notes", I wonder if each participant in my next Open Space was made responsible to write his contributions and responses to this contribution, this will distribute the note taking within the group based on the contributions. I will encourage people to take care of there needs and ask for help, but I think the task for the formal session note-taker falls in the category for me of one less thing to do.<br><br>In past years where I have been privileged to host a session in open space, I have felt that it was my responsibility that good notes would be taken during the session. Therefore I have found a willing hand and asked her to take the formal notes. This task has effect on the participation of the note-taker and the dream of external not-takers comes to light as the notes are of different quality and the person taking the would perhaps rather be a butterfly at the time of the bother.<br><br>When I host my session, my old meeting culture takes over and my expectations dictate my options. The principles and the guiding Law of open space restrict this culture somewhat and boost productivity. I have had experience of hosting a session of one, I had all the contributions and I was the note-taker, at the end of my session I had some discussion next to the coffee tables where I added some responses to my contributions notes.<br><br>This experience coupled with my need to design some documentation process for my next open space have brought these issues on the forefront. I am doing a series of short open spaces with service industry. I question the dogma of one session - one report. I think there will be more reporting and more total quality if each person took care of there own contribution. <br><br>For this paradigm shift of mine, Ill probably make some paper forms with fields like:<br>(Time, Space, Name of originator, Session title, Your name, Your contribution to session with reflections and responses.) And in my introduction I spend good time on introducing the documentation.<br><br><br><br><br>On 24 October 2012 08:47, Eleder_BuM <<a href="mailto:eleder.aurtenetxe@gmail.com" target="_blank">eleder.aurtenetxe@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hi Kari, I share you concern and I think that distributed note-taking would be the "natural" way in Open Space. My experience, though, is that even if we as facilitators encourage it or as conveners ask for it to other participants, people tend to keep their own notes. <br><br>Maybe it´s an extra effort people don´t value much? <br><br>Maybe something is telling us not to be so stubborn with notes, that the really important stuff is the shift on participants bodies&spiritis and the actions that will be born from conversations?<br><br>Maybe that some lazy lines is enough to know what the conversation content and atmosphere was like and whoever reads it, if moved, should go to the participants´ and start new / continue old conversations on the issue?<br><br>A big hug from Bilbao,<br><br><a href="https://twitter.com/Eleder_BuM" target="_blank"><span style='color:#BF277E'>@Eleder_BuM</span> </a><br><a href="http://www.flowandshow.blogspot.com" target="_blank">www.flowandshow.blogspot.com</a> (En) <a href="http://www.burumapak.blogspot.com" target="_blank">www.burumapak.blogspot.com</a> (Basque) <br><a href="http://www.in-fluyendo.blogspot.com" target="_blank">www.in-fluyendo.blogspot.com</a> (Sp)<span style='font-family:"Georgia","serif"'><a href="http://www.bilbohiria.com/gaika/berbaz" target="_blank"> www.bilbohiria.com/gaika/berbaz</a> (radio) </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>2012/10/23 Kári Gunnarsson <<a href="mailto:kari.gunnarsson@simnet.is" target="_blank">kari.gunnarsson@simnet.is</a>><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hello dear oslist community<br><br>I think about introducing distributed not-taking for sessions so that the responsibility of notes is in the hands of every participant and not the participant appointed session transcriber as is the general structured meeting practice. I long for an opening in the passion and responsibility for the written notes as well as the spoken word.<br><br>As I read about some participation content begin lost by transcribers and experiencing it for my self, I think about the documentation design style and the call by some to have scribes at each group. Having scribes at groups makes my face expression wrinkle a little and I think of an alternative solution based on the responsibility and passion of every member.<br><br>What if everyone could dot down there own contributions or ask a fellow in the discussion to dot down there contributions if that is there need. This way the responsibility of not-taking is distributed, and half, if not all present take notes to there contributions.<br><br>But then we have a problem when all the different notes enter the computers, the complexity of adding several documents as one discussion will be like a discussion in the lists or some different beast.<br><br>I imagen that this idea has especially had some fieald time in the hads of multi-language gathering facilitators.<br><br>My vision is a shared and individual responsibility for session note-taking without the use of session selected representative for the role.<br><br>I ask about your experiences with this idea of distributed documentation for each session and the solutions you have identified.<br><br>with love from Iceland<span style='color:#888888'><br>Kári<br><br><br clear=all><br>-- <br>Kári Gunnarsson<br><a href="mailto:kari.gunnarsson@simnet.is" target="_blank">kari.gunnarsson@simnet.is</a><br>gsm: <a href="tel:%2B354%208645189" target="_blank">+354 8645189</a><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br>OSList mailing list<br>To post send emails to <a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>To unsubscribe send an email to <a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:<br><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" target="_blank">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>OSList mailing list<br>To post send emails to <a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>To unsubscribe send an email to <a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:<br><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" target="_blank">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br clear=all><br>-- <br>Kári Gunnarsson<br><a href="mailto:kari.gunnarsson@simnet.is" target="_blank">kari.gunnarsson@simnet.is</a><br>gsm: +354 8645189<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>