<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Good points, Artur, all.<div>Just about your last part: </div><div>Actually, there were Egyptian people who were in communication about coming - various reasons why they could not, after all, come.</div><div>And actually, there were several members of the 2011 hosting team who came to the 2012 WOSonOS. </div><div>Long conversations, good requests from Askers naming what might help them join us (after which some decided to, some did not) - lots of great work by the host team and other contributors to access and support, wonderful contributions and relationship forming and strengthening to make this happen. All about access and inclusion. </div><div><br></div><div>I l-o-v-e that you are inviting this language and naming and challenging and 'why-would-we-count-them' and analysis of how we can do better and be better in everything we do...</div><div><br></div><div>And your English - as always - is fabulous...</div><div><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; 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white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; ">Lisa</div><div style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><br></div></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span> </div><br><div><div>On Oct 23, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Artur Silva wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: static; z-index: auto; "><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Michael and all:<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "><br>I really do not understand all this (these) conversation(s)...</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "> <!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--><br> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">First, all these conversations began with a post in a blog from someone that <b>is not</b> here! Then people began to "try to understand what he may have in his mind"... As far as he has been invited to come here and has not accepted, for me that discussion was over. (For those that are always reminding us of "the principles" I would say that if "whoever comes are the right people" <b>then</b> “whoever does not care to came are not"!) </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "> <!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--><br> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Second, traditions - and even myth - are also part of a culture (in this case the culture of this particular community). I can understand quite well the reason why a North American community that until that had an annual meeting only in USA and Canada, when managed it to came to Europe and then to go to Asia, South America, etc. decided that it was time to give that meeting the name of Worldwide OSonOS (WOSonOS). The fact that there is a worldwide annual meeting of the all community and many different OSonOS at city, region, national, or transnational levels are not something that worries me. On the contrary, calling all those many meetings "worldwide" bothers me for one, and only one, reason - <b>it is not true</b>!<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "><br> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Also begin to count all the OSonOS as if they were all equal or if that was possible (and, if possible, would be worth doing) is something that I can't understand. It is like counting all the OST events - they are innumerable by definition and the most one can say is that they are in excess of some number...</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "> <!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--><br> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">I would prefer to analyze things the other way round. As the majority of WOSonOS are held in English as their main language (sometimes complemented with the opening and some sessions <b>also</b> in other language) can we call that "Worldwide"? I mean, for me it is not some much a question of location but a question of language. And even of origin: wouldn’t it be nice to have <span style="font-weight: bold;">given access</span> to WOSonOS2012 to the most interesting thing that happened in the worldwide community this year and have Egypt represented by an Egyptian? And wouldn't it be nice to have given access to WOSonOS2012 to the person that invited the community to Chile - or another that represented the organizing team of WOSonOS2011?</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "> <!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--><br> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Regards</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Artur<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "><br> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">PS: Sorry for any misspellings - no time for English revisions<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, sans-serif"> </font></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>