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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Artur Silva <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arturfsilva@yahoo.com" target="_blank">arturfsilva@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">I really do not
understand all this (these) conversation(s)...<u></u><u></u></span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">First, all these
conversations began with a post in a blog from someone that <b>is not</b> here!
Then people began to "try to understand what he may have in his
mind"... As far as he has been invited to come here and has not accepted,
for me that discussion was over. (For those that are always reminding us of
"the principles" I would say that if "whoever comes are the
right people" <b>then</b> “whoever does not care to came are
not"!) </span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>i don't think anyone was "trying to understand" as much as some here read something and found that it echoed some things they themselves have experienced, even as it was noted that we might express it differently than he did. the blog post isn't important. the experiences of the people who are here are fair game for posting.</div>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Second, traditions
- and even myth - are also part of a culture (in this case the culture of this
particular community). I can understand quite well the reason why a North
American community that until that had an annual meeting only in USA and
Canada, when managed it to came to Europe and then to go to Asia, South
America, etc. decided that it was time to give that meeting the name of
Worldwide OSonOS (WOSonOS). The fact that there is a worldwide annual meeting
of the all community and many different OSonOS at city, region, national, or transnational
levels are not something that worries me. On the contrary, calling all
those many meetings "worldwide" bothers me for one, and only one,
reason - <b>it is not true</b>!</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>it might be very true... what is it that matters most? the intention of the host, who is invited, or who actually comes? what about when the invitation goes out worldwide, only locals come, and the proceedings are shared via oslist, followed by some locals joining the list, perhaps? what if it's inspired directly by someone's experience at another osonos gathering? if the only criteria for calling them Wosonos is that people from multiple countries participate, then we could never call them Wosonos until after they happened! it's the intention and the scope of the invitation that matters. and there is no reason that should be limited to only once a year. </div>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Also begin to count
all the OSonOS as if they were all equal or if that was possible (and, if
possible, would be worth doing) is something that I can't understand. It is
like counting all the OST events - they are innumerable by definition and the
most one can say is that they are in excess of some number...</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>this was offered only for those who like to count things. it's one way to describe the scale, scope, depth, breadth that can't be captured in a number or a label, but we try so many ways, anyway.</div>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">I would prefer to analyze
things the other way round. As the majority of WOSonOS are held in English as
their main language (sometimes complemented with the opening and some sessions <b>also</b> in other language) can we call that
"Worldwide"? I mean, for me it is not some much a question of
location but a question of language. And even of origin: wouldn’t it be nice to
have <span style="font-weight:bold">given access</span> to WOSonOS2012 to the most interesting thing that happened
in the worldwide community this year and have Egypt represented by an Egyptian? And
wouldn't it be nice to have given access to WOSonOS2012 to the person that
invited the community to Chile - or another that represented the organizing
team of WOSonOS2011?</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>i don't know about giving access. don't know if it was asked for. i think your point about worldwide and languages is a great one. with one language (mostly) and a smattering of countries, is any of these really worldwide? or are they all just osonos? and why isn't that enough? why does our community practice need to be the designation of one W event each year? what if our community practice, the way we are worldwide, was that many of us regularly convened open space events purely to focus on the practice of open space -- and all the hosts of all those events made their invitations known to everyone we know who might be interested -- worldwide. every event is an osonos... and the sum of them all is osonos worldwide. </div>
<div><br></div><div>what do you think, artur? others? dare we let osonos be bigger than a single annual event? that's what i want to find out!</div><div><br></div><div>m</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Michael Herman
<<a href="mailto:michael@michaelherman.com" target="_blank">michael@michaelherman.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> World wide Open Space Technology email list <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, October 23, 2012 6:49 PM<div class="im"><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [OSList] OSONOS Whenever, Wherever, with Whomsoever (name change from "Peggy..."<br>
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<div>maybe the question i should be asking is why we don't call ALL of them WOSONOS... and then... what would it look like if we developed a system for anyone, anywhere, to distribute their osonos invitation to the World? oslist is perhaps the only global system needed for such distribution, but maybe there is more we can do to support more invitings? this suggesting implies, i think, that it's not important if the World actually attends... but rather that the hosts are Inviting the whole world, and inviting the depth that comes with that expansiveness. <div>
<br></div><div>yes, like harrison says, anyone can do it and nobody's in charge... and... i don't think the community has supported multiple Wosonos events in the same year... i think only because of habit and inertia. what i'm suggesting is that ANYONE can, and anyone who wants to should, invite the world... and it's the host who decides to call it a Wosonos or not -- and then the only community decision-making is truly distributed and the whole world decides whether or not to go particpate. </div>
<div><br></div><div>i think it's cleaner to drop the W because not all osonos events/hosts necessarily want to be for the World, and i'd rather count them all -- emphasizing the purpose of practitioners learning about open space in open space and de-emphasizing who might come from how far away.</div>
<div><br></div><div>i'd like to hear more from others here about this edge between preserving structures we've made together over time, like osonos and wosonos on the one hand and newcomers, emergence and one more thing to not do (anymore) on the other.</div>
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