<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">My contribution to
this discussion that Harold mentioned was a comment in Paul Levy's blog saying:<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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mso-fareast-language:PT">Artur Silva</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
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text-decoration:none;text-underline:none">October 20, 2012 at 3:21 PM</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
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color:#77614A;background:#F2F2F1;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:
PT">I would like to see this comments posted to (and debated at) the OSLIST –
the larger circle which WOSonOS is a part of – Artur</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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PT">I would like to have the time right now to participate in this discussion, but I
will have to postpone that, as going to London has obliged me to delay some
professional duties that now must have first priority - they constitute the
major wave that I must take care of and ride right now.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
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color:#77614A;background:#F2F2F1;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:
PT">And English is neither my first language, nor even my second, nor the third - it
is the fourth indeed :-(<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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nature and I have to oblige me to do so.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
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color:#77614A;background:#F2F2F1;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:
PT">Anyhow I am in agreement with what Harold mentioned in relation to the London's
gathering.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
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color:#77614A;background:#F2F2F1;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:
PT">But I expect that some major errors in the spelling of non-English
participants names in the summaries of some sessions will be corrected in
the final version of the proceedings of WOSonOS and session contributions by non-English
speakers will be fully included, especially when the convener was a native of
English. I call the organizers attention for that. See, for instance, that in
the session "Using OS in Academia" the majority of the names of non-English
participants are incorrectly spelled, and, as a participant in that session, I
can't see any mention to the content of my participation... Maybe Tova will be
so kind to correct that…</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;
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color:#77614A;background:#F2F2F1;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:
PT">WOSonOS as a universal multi-language gathering (and the consequences that
this must have to native English speakers) is something I would like to discuss
later. </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
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color:#77614A;background:#F2F2F1;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:
PT">After I have been to (W)OSonOS in Berlin, in 2000, I questioned why the -
then official - Open Space web page (</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
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mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#77614A;mso-fareast-language:PT"><a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/"><span lang="EN-US">http://www.openspaceworld.org/</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
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color:#77614A;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:PT">) was only
written in English and (with the support of Mickael Herman) I have contributed to it becoming a multilingual
site. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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color:#77614A;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:PT">I would like to profound that discussion and ask what a truly respect for non-English natives
from the part of English natives must be in WOSonOs presencial sessions...<span style="background:#F2F2F1"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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color:#77614A;background:#F2F2F1;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:
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color:#77614A;background:#F2F2F1;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:
PT">Anyhow, Phelim, congratulations for your supperb opening and holding the
space. Maybe each OST facilitator should have some training as an actor of improvisational theater ;-) </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
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color:#77614A;background:#F2F2F1;mso-fareast-language:PT">Regards</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
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color:#77614A;background:#F2F2F1;mso-fareast-language:PT">Artur</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
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mso-fareast-language:PT"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Harold Shinsato <harold@shinsato.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> World wide Open Space Technology email list <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, October 20, 2012 11:03 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [OSList] Peggy plus OST Linkedin Comment<br> </font> </div> <br>
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<div class="yiv363145104moz-cite-prefix">Phelim,<br>
<br>(...) Artur and I already tried to invite him to bring this
to the OSList. I think Paul has things worth hearing - which I
profoundly believe is true for all human beings. (...)</div></div></div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>