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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Michael,<br>
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Thanks! You hit a theme that has been hard for me as a
videographer. I don't know if anyone has seen this old low budget
documentary, Sherman's March. Ross McElwee got a grant to film the
effects of Sherman's devastating march of destruction through the
South during the American Civil War - and instead really made an
introspective inner journey about his dating life, nightmares of
nuclear holocaust, and how he keeps people away from him with the
camera. <br>
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My work with the camera has always been haunted by that film. I am
very familiar with how I can use the camera as be a shield to keep
people away, to hide behind the camera while exposing others. And
as someone interested in Quantum Mechanics, I'm also very aware of
the observer effect. There is no such thing as a completely
"detached observer". Observation always impacts that which is
observed.<br>
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Did the fly metaphor help integrate Ragnar into our event and
community? Did it separate him?<br>
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I've been bringing in the local cable access television station
for my Missoula Open Space events. They've gradually been getting
more and more integrated into the event - yet I'm always wondering
how to amplify and extend the event through getting them more
integrated.<br>
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Whatever Phelim and Improbable has done - if you look at the
documentation site for WOSonOS2012 - it's one of the most heavily
documented Open Space I've ever seen with 53 reports already
online and there will be lots of video!<br>
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<a
href="http://www.devotedanddisgruntled.com/events/world-open-space-open-space/reports">http://www.devotedanddisgruntled.com/events/world-open-space-open-space/reports</a><br>
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Harold<br>
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On 10/19/12 9:35 AM, Michael Herman wrote:<br>
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type="cite">this thread reminds me that i've always been a bit
uncomfortable with the 'fly' dimension of photographers,
videographers, and graphic recorders in open space... not because
of what they're doing but because their gizmos or special skills
makes them seems special. of course they are special... but not
more or less than all the others. it seems to me that these
recording folk are doing in some obvious ways what everyone is
really charged with... taking in all that they can and coming away
with something to show for it... flowers that come from
cross-pollinating, butterfly wings that came from nibbling around
and cooking oneself in reflection (stretching the metaphor a bit,
perhaps), making lists of immediate next steps or dot-voting for
the action-minded, or whatever other "take aways" that people
might create for themselves. so these recorders seem to me to be
doing what everyone else is doing, perhaps just in a more
outwardly obvious way. so i guess my discomfort comes when their
work is suggested or perceived as being done "for" the community
rather than "in" or "as members of" the community.
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