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Hi Suzanne:<br><br>
Yes, a rotating thing would be great, that would be a great way to deal
with time zones. And it would not only cater for time zones, but also for
different sleep/wake rythms. <br><br>
If you work with consecutive openings for different time zones, you could
also have a recording ready of the most recent opening (or maybe all of
them) that you could view before you enter the live conference, so you
have an idea of what is going on and what the sesions are.<br><br>
I agree with you that a combination of visual marketplace and spoken
topics would be great. I will do some more thinking of this visualization
- it feels like a real challenge to create this and on the one hand
putting all the information on the screen and on the other hand not
making a mess of the screen interface.<br><br>
Question to Brian: are we also thinking video connections here? For how
many participants? I guess this would be an enormous task for the central
system in terms of bandwith and processing power. At the same time it
would add a lot to the experience.<br><br>
Suddenly, I am thinking that in some way, we already have it. What we are
doing here and now in this conversation (and others on this list) is an
Open Space across time zones already. Through email - one of the oldest
internet applications. It can be that simple...<br><br>
Koos<br><br>
At 21:17 29-8-2012, Suzanne Daigle wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Just jumping in after a quick
read. This truly is exciting to imagine. Yes I agree with the
compressed time frame (or time frames) and the dynamite energy it
creates. Considering the different time zones, an event could be
designed such that space could be opened in a rotating schedule twice or
three times with a host(s) and facilitator(s) opening the space in the
traditional way in different parts of the world as if a continuous event
over a 24 or 48 hour period. Breakout groups could be scheduled in the
traditional way. I can just imagine people from around the world
joining in at different times. Lots of bumble beeing. <br><br>
Love having participants announcing their topics which is what we did
with our adapted Global Conversation version of Open Space last
November. Hearing people's voices from around the world announcing
their topics and saying their names was truly magical, even more so
because many attendees had never participated in a global event, had
never experienced an Open Space and in some cases, never even been on a
conference call. <br>
Everything happened relatively fast though it would have been so much
better to have a visual marketplace wall as people spoke their topics.
<br><br>
Suzanne<br><br>
<br><br>
<br><br>
<br>
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Koos de Heer
<<a href="mailto:koos@auryn.nl">koos@auryn.nl</a>> wrote:<br>
<dl>
<dd>Hi Michael!<br><br>
<dd>Good start! I can see that happening. At the same time, I wonder how
far I would want to go with this stretched space-time thing. Open Space -
in my experience - often has the character of a pressure cooker. A lot
gets done in a short time and that is not only a great result in the end,
but it also means a lot during the event. Already while the event is
progressing, people say things like: something is really happening here!
And they're thrilled to be a part of it and it increases the level of
their contribution. Which in turn inspires and stimulates others as
well.<br>
<br>
<dd>If you take out the element of limited time, I think you might lose
this dynamic. Of course you can also go too far in the limiting of time.
I once took part in an Open Space Online meeting where the time limit was
enforced a little too strictly. This was back in the early days. When the
time slot for a session ended, all the participants were kicked out of
the session and the session was closed by the system. There was no
"when it is over, it is over." It was more like: "It is
over when the clock says it is over." So I would let the
participants in a break out group deciede whether they are done or not.
And I would make it very easy for all the participants to see at what
time the other sessions will start.<br><br>
<dd>That is the nice thing about this technology. You don't have to walk
over to the plenary room to go look at the agenda. You can have a side
bar on your screen showing the sessions that are about to start, sorted
by start time. You could even list the sessions there that are already
running, to facilitate bumble beeing.<br><br>
<dd>To get back to Brian's questions: what we need to think about is how
you are going to announce the topics. With online technology like this,
you can easily let everyone post their session topics online and let them
choose a time slot. The number of break out spaces is much more flexible
than in a real building. But how do you get people to listen to the other
topics that are listed and how do you get the topics spread out in time
evenly? Not that you have to, but if all the sessions are at the
beginning, the participants will be stretched really thin. And later on
in the meeting there will not be many interesting sessions any more
because all the good stuff was right at the start. I think I would like
some sort of structure where those people who want to announce a topic
have to line up for the microphone and they announce their topic to the
entire audience one by one. Or is that too rigid? In a real meeting, you
see people writing their topics and choosing time slots etc. If you are
just waiting for your turn behind your computer, it can become quite
lonely and boring. We would have to find a way to visualize what is going
on. Like when you choose a time, you can see how many sessions there
already are at each available start time. You could also have a
visualization of the agenda wall that you see growing as sessions are
added. And maybe an icon of a pen and paper next to someone's name if
that person is in the process of entering a topic.<br><br>
<dd>Something to think about in the whole thing is what you would want to
do by audio and what by typing or clicking ( not to speak of drawing and
sharing what's on your screen). I am sure the folks at Maestro have some
ideas about that already. But that was not the question at this
point...<br><br>
<dd>This is really fun to play with!<font color="#888888"><br><br>
<dd>Koos</font><br><br>
<br>
<dd>At 15:09 29-8-2012, Michael Herman wrote:<br>
<dl>
<dd>logistics of topics and schedule... first thoughts...<br><br>
<dd>i think it might work pretty much like it does when we're face
to<br>
<dd>face. there's one big group, a short briefing, and then a
chance for<br>
<dd>anyone in the large group to post their name/topic. i think
there<br>
<dd>might be a host-designated grid of posting times, same as some
people<br>
<dd>have done in the f2f meetings.<br><br>
<dd>now, the interesting wrinkle in what you're providing, brian, is
that<br>
<dd>when we're not all in the same place and time, boxed in by plane<br>
<dd>rides, then the schedule grid could be set up to span days or weeks
or<br>
<dd>even an ongoing series of conversations that don't end until the
work<br>
<dd>does. so the host-set starting grid might be one session long,
today,<br>
<dd>or might stretch out indefinitely.<br><br>
<dd>so in this way, the "opening" is the session where this all
gets<br>
<dd>briefed, oriented, trained, and set up, and then there is one or
more<br>
<dd>breakouts. in this way, future plenary sessions like evening
and<br>
<dd>morning news sessions might still be evening and morning, or
they<br>
<dd>might be week 1 news, week 2 news... or they might be january news
or<br>
<dd>quarterly news.... but they'd all be able to be scheduled and
take<br>
<dd>place in the same way any and all breakouts happen. it might be
good<br>
<dd>practice and worth prompting the host at set up to set one or
more<br>
<dd>plenary times. it might be set that no other sessions could
be<br>
<dd>scheduled at those times, or that might be left for informal
agreement<br>
<dd>within the group. maybe it's a check box option for the host
when<br>
<dd>setting those times.<br><br>
<dd>so there's an opening session. where there is posting and
announcing<br>
<dd>of sessions. then breakouts which are a multiplication of the
first<br>
<dd>session, with some sort of posting wall to support it. there
are<br>
<dd>specialized breakouts marked as plenaries. and finally, a
specialized<br>
<dd>plenary, marked as closing. and while we're specializing, i
wonder if<br>
<dd>being able to specify something like a "sub-theme" or
"track" or maybe<br>
<dd>better a "stream" might allow for wider use and
cross-pollination<br>
<dd>among projects or departments or other more fixed areas of focus,
over<br>
<dd>the longer term, so that several open space streams in one group
or<br>
<dd>organization might be flowing through the same schedule grid.
this<br>
<dd>might also support longer term complex projects in giving one layer
of<br>
<dd>description between the main theme and the individual
breakouts.<br><br>
<dd>this brings us to the point of taking notes, but that's beyond
your<br>
<dd>question, i think. <grin><br><br>
<dd>one more thing... backing up a bit, brian... it might be helpful
for<br>
<dd>people on the list here, who might be thinking about this and
wanting<br>
<dd>to help, to hear from you a short description of what maestro<br>
<dd>conference provides now. it's there in the website, on
different<br>
<dd>pages and customer focused, but it'd be good to have even 3-5<br>
<dd>sentences that describes it from a functional perspective, "this
is<br>
<dd>what it does now" sort of thing.<br><br>
<dd>m<br><br>
<br><br>
<br><br>
<br>
<dd>--<br><br>
<dd>Michael Herman<br>
<dd>Michael Herman Associates<br>
<dd><a href="tel:312-280-7838">312-280-7838</a> (mobile)<br><br>
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http://ManorNeighbors.com</a><br>
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<br><br>
<br>
<dd>On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 4:12 AM, Brian Burt
<<a href="mailto:brian.burt@gmail.com">brian.burt@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<dd>> Thanks Harold.<br>
<dd>><br>
<dd>>> I think if they would allow people to move themselves by
some simple<br>
<dd>>> interface into the different rooms<br>
<dd>><br>
<dd>> We definitely have that in mind and so appreciate people
contributing with<br>
<dd>> hearts and minds<br>
<dd>><br>
<dd>> Harold & All: How would you see the initial segment of
collectively<br>
<dd>> brainstorming/proposing topics and landing on a schedule,
especially with<br>
<dd>> hundreds (or more) of participants? (pardon my ignorance
of the terms)<br>
<dd>><br>
<dd>> We'll be digging in later but I welcome more thoughts.<br>
<dd>><br>
<dd>> Thank you,<br>
<dd>><br>
<dd>> On Aug 24, 2012 9:38 PM, "Harold Shinsato"
<<a href="mailto:harold@shinsato.com">harold@shinsato.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<dd>>><br>
<dd>>> Hi Suzanne,<br>
<dd>>><br>
<dd>>> Thanks for pursuing this possibility with Maestro. I think I
gave some<br>
<dd>>> input about this earlier. I find that the model that I
experienced of<br>
<dd>>> Maestro conference was that it was optimized for people
giving workshops who<br>
<dd>>> would then control the breakout groups.<br>
<dd>>><br>
<dd>>> For Open Space, it doesn't seem to work well to put this
decision making<br>
<dd>>> process into the hands of the facilitator. It loses the
self-organizing<br>
<dd>>> feel.<br>
<dd>>><br>
<dd>>> I think if they would allow people to move themselves by
some simple<br>
<dd>>> interface into the different rooms - either with a web
interface or by<br>
<dd>>> pressing numbers on the phone (like many people know to
press *6 to mute<br>
<dd>>> themselves, something like *9 could give a prompt to ask for
a room number)<br>
<dd>>> - you could cheaply and easily get the feeling of open
space. Though I'd<br>
<dd>>> suggest having some experiments and then adjusting based on
findings.<br>
<dd>>><br>
<dd>>> I agree with Koos - the simpler the better. I also wonder if
there is a<br>
<dd>>> "google hangout" method that could be used to
combine voice and video. Could<br>
<dd>>> this be done already? How do you compete with free? In any
case, please<br>
<dd>>> include me on the list of people interested. Thanks!<br>
<dd>>><br>
<dd>>> Regards,<br>
<dd>>> Harold<br>
<dd>>><br>
<dd>>><br>
<dd>>> On 8/24/12 12:53 PM, Suzanne Daigle wrote:<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> Hi Everyone,<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> Thanks for being so responsive, brimming with ideas and
information, love<br>
<dd>>>> the skepticism too! It is so cool to learn about
the work that has been<br>
<dd>>>> done over the years to develop an on-line virtual
experience of Open Space.<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> Brian Curt is on this list so he will be seeing these
emails in real<br>
<dd>>>> time. I'm guessing others at MaestroConference may also
be monitoring.<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> Definitely we're not starting from scratch --much has
been done and when<br>
<dd>>>> you add the powerful and unique features of
MaestroConference with their<br>
<dd>>>> strategic vision to optimize their technology for Open
Space, it gets even<br>
<dd>>>> more exciting. We may have the makings for something
pretty darn great,<br>
<dd>>>> taking us, step by step, to the next level and bringing
more Open Space to<br>
<dd>>>> the world -- a blend of face-to-face and enhanced
virtual.<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> I don't know what y'all think and I don't mind tracking
the names. At<br>
<dd>>>> this "emergent" stage of the game, it would be
wonderful if people continued<br>
<dd>>>> commenting as posts appear, sharing their thoughts and
ideas. People could<br>
<dd>>>> also suggest who else should be part of these
discussions. I know the<br>
<dd>>>> Agile/Scrum Technology community are very invested and
aligned with Open<br>
<dd>>>> Space. Many OS trailblazers in that community for
sure!<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> It might get chaotic, messy and a bit confusing.
Yet if we keep the<br>
<dd>>>> conversations going, vibrant and chock-full of ideas and
information, it<br>
<dd>>>> should lead to a dynamic theme and invitation for the
MaestroConference<br>
<dd>>>> Virtual Open Visioning Event planned for the early Fall.
No doubt we would<br>
<dd>>>> have a packed house and we'd certainly be getting a good
headstart on things<br>
<dd>>>> while managing expectations knowing that we probably
won't get this right<br>
<dd>>>> immediately.<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> On my end, I just wanted to clarify the bit that I am
doing -- being an<br>
<dd>>>> equal with all of you, highly receptive to what
MaestroConference may be<br>
<dd>>>> envisioning, keeping a list of names, "being
prepared to be surprised",<br>
<dd>>>> doing less rather than more, and leaving lots of room
for OS folks to<br>
<dd>>>> self-organize and share leadership on this wonderful
project wherever it<br>
<dd>>>> leads.<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> Suzanne<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> P.S. Brian and others at MaestroConference if you
reading this, please<br>
<dd>>>> check out WOSonOS London (the annual World Open Space on
Open Space is in<br>
<dd>>>> England this year) from October 11th to the 14th.
(thanks Spark!) We would<br>
<dd>>>> love to see you! Many seasoned Open Space
practitioners attending from<br>
<dd>>>> across the globe.<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Thomas Herrmann<br>
<dd>>>>
<<a href="mailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com">
thomas@openspaceconsulting.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<dd>>>>><br>
<dd>>>>> Hi Suzanne<br>
<dd>>>>><br>
<dd>>>>> Great idea!<br>
<dd>>>>><br>
<dd>>>>> I have done quite a lot of virtual facilitation the
last years and have<br>
<dd>>>>> found a software that gives most of the
possibilities that I think are<br>
<dd>>>>> needed even if I have only used it with quite
small groups. Several of the<br>
<dd>>>>> people in the Genuine Contact community use it
Blackboard Collaborate.<br>
<dd>>>>> After testing many many available software we found
this which suits the<br>
<dd>>>>> needs for participative meetings incl Open Space,
very well incl<br>
<dd>>>>> reliability.<br>
<dd>>>>><br>
<dd>>>>> I am willing to share some of my experiences down
the line.<br>
<dd>>>>><br>
<dd>>>>> Hugs<br>
<dd>>>>><br>
<dd>>>>> Thomas Herrmann<br>
<dd>>>>><br>
<dd>>>>><br>
<dd>>>>><br>
<dd>>>>> Från:
<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">
oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>
<dd>>>>>
[<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" eudora="autourl">
mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] För Suzanne
Daigle<br>
<dd>>>>> Skickat: den 24 augusti 2012 04:50<br>
<dd>>>>> Till: World wide Open Space Technology email
list<br>
<dd>>>>> Ämne: [OSList] Conversation today with Brian Burt of
MaestroConference<br>
<dd>>>>><br>
<dd>>>>><br>
<dd>>>>><br>
<dd>>>>><br>
<dd>>>>><br>
<dd>>>>> Exciting to imagine! A virtual interface
specifically geared to Open<br>
<dd>>>>> Space. Brian Burt, CEO and Founder of
MaestroConference, and I were on the<br>
<dd>>>>> phone for about 30 minutes this afternoon. It
was a “jump right in” kinda<br>
<dd>>>>> conversation with lots of give and take. No
doubt about it,<br>
<dd>>>>> MaestroConference has been giving this some thought
and Brian Burt knows the<br>
<dd>>>>> process, principles and language of Open Space.<br>
<dd>>>>><br>
<dd>>>>> In some cases their technology is there and stuff
could happen right<br>
<dd>>>>> away; other things need to be figured out and then
of course, you can’t<br>
<dd>>>>> totally replicate an in-person experience of Open
Space so a hybrid virtual<br>
<dd>>>>> adaptation would need to be developed.<br>
<dd>>>>><br>
<dd>>>>> We talked about the big picture of a Virtual Open
Space Social Webinar<br>
<dd>>>>> platform that would allow hundreds and even
thousands of people to<br>
<dd>>>>> participate. We also discussed some of the
challenges; for example: “can you<br>
<dd>>>>> really have a virtual conversation with 50 people
on-line engaged in one<br>
<dd>>>>> topic or would we need to break into smaller groups”
and “how could we<br>
<dd>>>>> manage a post-it board with time and place”.<br>
<dd>>>>><br>
<dd>>>>> Brian’s plan, along with other folks at Maestro
Conference, is to host a<br>
<dd>>>>> Virtual Open Visioning Event this Fall inviting lots
of people (it would be<br>
<dd>>>>> terrific if many joined) from the Open Space
community and folks in the<br>
<dd>>>>> technology world (major users of Open Space) to
engage in working<br>
<dd>>>>> conversations around the interface, the
implementation, the applications of<br>
<dd>>>>> where and how a virtual OS could be used, the
invitation process and so much<br>
<dd>>>>> more.<br>
<dd>>>>><br>
<dd>>>>> What I was able to convey to Brian is that there are
many practitioners<br>
<dd>>>>> in this worldwide OS community, including the OSI US
Board, who are<br>
<dd>>>>> interested and excited about having a virtual Open
Space platform. I’ll be<br>
<dd>>>>> the first to say that I’m not the expert (nor the
leader) in that regard but<br>
<dd>>>>> I certainly have the passion and am willing to roll
up my sleeves with<br>
<dd>>>>> others to help make it happen.<br>
<dd>>>>><br>
<dd>>>>> At Brian’s request, I’ve agreed to lend a hand if
people want to advise<br>
<dd>>>>> off list that they are interested, feel free to
email me. You can also do it<br>
<dd>>>>> publicly on the OS list and I’ll keep track.
MaestroConference is also<br>
<dd>>>>> interested in knowing if anyone has people they’d
recommend who should be<br>
<dd>>>>> invited to the Fall Event.<br>
<dd>>>>><br>
<dd>>>>> In anticipation of the Virtual Open Visioning Event
being planned,<br>
<dd>>>>> perhaps we can continue the conversations on our OS
list sharing what we<br>
<dd>>>>> would hope to see, what questions we have, how we
may want to contribute to<br>
<dd>>>>> this effort. My specific interest related to
the virtual technology is<br>
<dd>>>>> having the ability to host post-events after a
face-to-face Open Space,<br>
<dd>>>>> continuing the conversations and driving some of the
actions and initiatives<br>
<dd>>>>> that participants identified.<br>
<dd>>>>><br>
<dd>>>>> An early Call to Action that may help Maestro
Conference in their<br>
<dd>>>>> planning! What do y'all think?<br>
<dd>>>>><br>
<dd>>>>> Suzanne<br>
<dd>>>>><br>
<dd>>>>><br>
<dd>>>>><br>
<dd>>>>> Suzanne Daigle<br>
<dd>>>>> NuFocus Strategic Group<br>
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<dd>>>
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