<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Thanks for your
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">In what concerns
trust, I was not thinking so much about trust between de participants (this is
like the principles - it happens naturally if the space is really open) but
about the <span style="font-weight: bold;">trust (or not) of the sponsor in the participants.</span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">As Kerry put in
another thread: </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 127);">If a sponsor
insists on limiting the discussion, we walk away. In this situation we
ask them directly "<b>do you trust your employees/members/supporters</b>?</span>"</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">As you all know, I also agree with
Kerry in what concerns the so called "givens"...<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Artur<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Peggy Holman <peggy@peggyholman.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> World wide Open Space Technology email list <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, July 28, 2012 7:54 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [OSList] OST Foundations again (Was: Re: Dealing with conflicts)<br> </font> </div> <br><div id="yiv2073457153"><base><div>Yup, speaking loosely.
The principles describe what is always happening.<div><br></div><div>And complexity science has shown us that initial conditions matter. Context has an impact on whether a fight breaks out or people connect (both of which can lead to breakthroughs, though I think connection is almost aways the more productive path). I find naming the principles and the law contributes to setting the stage for productive engagement.</div><div><br></div><div>BTW, I don't think trust is a necessary pre-condition. Practically speaking, a willingness to show up is necessary. I think that generally occurs because participants are attracted to the intent of the session. Still, they don't need to trust each other. More often I find that is an outcome of discovering that people different than you share some common desires and humanity.</div><div><br></div><div>And thanks for mentioning diversity, Artur. For me, the heart of
pre-work (which can be simple or complex depending on the situation) is about getting clear on the intention and doing the outreach to invite the people who care. Doing the work to consider who makes up the diversity of the system and reaching out can be the most challenging and time consuming work of all.</div><div><br></div><div>While the intention doesn't need to be stated as a question, I've gotten in the habit of doing so because I find it's does the powerful work of providing direction while making it clear that no one has all the answers. I think great questions are a form of humble leadership.</div><div><br></div><div>appreciatively,</div><div>Peggy</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Jul 28, 2012, at 4:25 AM, Harrison Owen wrote:</div><br class="yiv2073457153Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-US"><div class="yiv2073457153WordSection1" style=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Hi Artur – The good old academic at work once again! Your interpretation certainly reflects my experience. The Initial conditions (real issue, diversity, etc) pave the way for the 4 principles and 1 Law to swing into operation…Peggy will have to speak
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class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a> [mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org]<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Artur Silva<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, July 28, 2012 5:36 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span>World wide Open Space Technology email list<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span>[OSList] OST Foundations again (Was: Re: Dealing with conflicts)</span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; "> </div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; background-color: white; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; ">[Now what I intended to say... Artur]</span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; background-color: white; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; background-color: white; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; ">-------------</span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; background-color: white; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; "> </span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; background-color: white; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black;
">Harrison, Peggy, all:</span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; background-color: white; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; background-color: white; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; ">Harrison said: “(...)</span><b><span style="font-family: Times, serif; color: black; "><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span>trust</span></b><span style="font-family: Times, serif; color: black; "> the people to do what they need to do <b>given the time/space to do it</b>".</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; "></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; background-color: white; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;
color: black; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; background-color: white; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; ">Peggy commented: "(...) </span><span style="font-family: Times, serif; color: black; ">providing <b>fertile initial conditions (<u>4 principles</u>, 1 law, and a good<u>question</u></b>) <b>engages</b> people (...)"</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; "></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; background-color: white; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; background-color: white; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; ">Are these two equivalent statements? I may be wrong, of
course, but I don't think so…</span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; background-color: white; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; "><br>Apart from the preconditions for a successful OST that HO stated many times (*), I would think that what is needed is: enough diversity, careful preparation (pre work), adequate theme (not necessarily a question), a circle, a bulletin board, a market place, the law, adequate time, trust.</span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; background-color: white; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; background-color: white; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; ">The principles are not, IMHO, a <b>precondition</b> (or
foundation) but something that<b><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span>always happens</b> given the previous preconditions.</span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; background-color: white; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; background-color: white; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; ">What do you all think now? (Now because this has been already discussed in the past...)</span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; background-color: white; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; background-color: white; "><span
style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; ">Regards</span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; background-color: white; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; background-color: white; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; ">Artur</span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; background-color: white; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; background-color: white; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; ">(*) For instance, in the "OST Non Guide", page 7:</span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: serif; background-color: white; "><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; ">1) A real business issue of great concern.</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; "></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; background-color: white; "><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; ">2) High levels of complexity in terms of the elements of the issue.</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; "></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; background-color: white; "><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; ">3) High Levels of diversity in terms of those involved.</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; "></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; background-color: white; "><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; ">4) The presence of actual or potential conflict.</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; "></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; background-color: white; "><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; ">5) A decision time of yesterday -- i.e. an urgent need for improvement.</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; background-color: white; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; "> </span></div></div></div><div><div><div id="yiv2073457153"><div><div><div><div id="yiv2073457153"><div><div><div style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; background-color: white; "><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; "> </span></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv2073457153MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; text-align: center; background-color: white; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black; "><hr size="1" width="100%" align="center"></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; background-color: white; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black; "><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span>Peggy Holman <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peggy@peggyholman.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:peggy@peggyholman.com"
style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">peggy@peggyholman.com</a>><br><b>To:</b><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span>World wide Open Space Technology email list <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, July 26, 2012 4:17 PM<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [OSList] Dealing with conflicts</span><span style="font-family: Times, serif; color: black; "></span></div></div><div class="yiv2073457153MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; background-color: white; "><span style="font-family: Times, serif; color: black;
"><br>Harrison,<br><br>I think a powerful lesson that you made visible is providing fertile initial conditions (4 principles, 1 law, and a good question) engages people to work through challenges to what matters.<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Peggy<br>Sent from my iPhone<br><br>On Jul 26, 2012, at 6:58 AM, Harrison Owen <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">hhowen@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Marie said -- "And Harrison, our own Krishnamurti. No fluff, just open<br>> space! I admire your trust - which is why you're so bold."<br>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> I am not so sure I was being "bold" -- but I surely trust the people to do<br>> what they need to do given the time/space to do it. And they have always<br>> come through. As for my
part, I think it has much more to do with my<br>> profound sense of limitations. There is no way in the world I could possibly<br>> control the situation if only because I completely lack the ability to<br>> figure out the complex interactions, to say nothing of the history of the<br>> group involved. Only they are fully expert on their lives and living. So<br>> rather that "bold" -- maybe humble? Maybe cowardice?<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> ho<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Harrison Owen<br>> 7808 River Falls Dr.<br>> Potomac, MD 20854<br>> USA<br>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)<br>> Camden, Maine 20854<br>><span
class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Phone 301-365-2093<br>> (summer) 207-763-3261<br>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.openspaceworld.com/" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">www.openspaceworld.com</a><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.ho-image.com/" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">www.ho-image.com</a><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span>(Personal Website)<br>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST<br>> Go to:<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org"
style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a><br>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From:<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>> [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] On Behalf Of Marie Ann<br>> Östlund<br>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 5:08 PM<br>> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list<br>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Dealing with
conflicts<br>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Wow, thank you for all your responses and wonderful stories. Thank you<br>> Peggy, that's a great example, and Christine - that's an interesting<br>> process.<br>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> I wanted to do something 'constructive' with everyone open enough to meet,<br>> as many felt hopeless about the situation. The issue now was acute but they<br>> had a 20-30 year history of difficulties and conflicts.<br>> I only had a few hours so convened a circle and planned a short AI and World<br>> Café, so that they would have some sort of exchange. The floor was<br>> 'high-jacked' though by someone that had important new revelations to<br>> communicate, and I let it be for some time before asking those wanting to<br>> speak about this to convene somewhere else. Those that stayed convened in a<br>>
circle and I gave them a talking stick. That went well.<br>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> I was pondering over how it would be to open space in this situation.<br>> As Harrison says, when there is conflict, open space.<br>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> In regards to having an agenda, Brendan, as a mediator I understand that<br>> it's hard for people to hear each other when they are very angry or upset,<br>> at the same time it's important for people to be able to express just how<br>> angry or hurt they are. With OS I'm learning to trust people to do what they<br>> need to do, and that they will manage themselves. I just wasn't sure if<br>> opening space would really be advisable, even if I thought it might work.<br>> There's nothing like truth, but still I don't want people to get hurt.<br>><span
class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> And Harrison, our own Krishnamurti. No fluff, just open space! I admire your<br>> trust - which is why you're so bold.<br>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Michael, yes do send me Practice of Peace (in english!). You're right that<br>> it's all very much about convincing oneself, and writing to you all is part<br>> of that process for me.<br>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Thank you Craig for trying to elicit some failure stories from the OS folks.<br>> In conflicts people at least care enough to be in conflict, and OS is all<br>> about what we care about so will have to work.<br>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Thanks!<br>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Marie Ann<br>><span
class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Harrison Owen <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">hhowen@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<br>>> Good point Craig. We always learn from the exceptions/anomalies. In 27<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> years of opening space, often in genuinely “hairy” situations, I have<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> never personally encountered a situation where “it didn’t work.”<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> “Working” for me is a fairly pragmatic definition. Folks got together,<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> dealt with their issues, and either found solutions or recognized
that<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> for reasons totally beyond their control, no solution was possible in<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> the moment. All of this was done with a high degree of civility, respect,<br>> and economy of effort.<br>>> More often than not, participants will report that they even “had fun.”<br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> I have heard of situations that were less than positive. In every case<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> the fundamental problem seemed to be that the sponsor/facilitator<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> tried to “play it safe.”
This could mean restricting the time/space<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> for discussion, limiting the issues to be discussed (placing them off<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> limits), and/or intervening along the way with some form of mediation.<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> Some people tried to prepare the way by sharing “Handy Rules for<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> treating each other nicely.” I don’t suppose that hurt, but I never<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> saw that it made any difference. Truth is in the heat of discussion<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> folks don’t seem to pay much attention to rules, except those that are<span
class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> generated internally and are integral to the conversation – which is what<br>> I think happens in Open Space.<br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> Harrison<br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> Harrison<br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> Harrison Owen<br>>><span
class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> 7808 River Falls Dr.<br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> Potomac, MD 20854<br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> USA<br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)<br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> Camden, Maine 20854<br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> Phone 301-365-2093<br>>><span
class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> (summer) 207-763-3261<br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.openspaceworld.com/" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">www.openspaceworld.com</a><br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.ho-image.com/" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">www.ho-image.com</a><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span>(Personal Website)<br>>><span
class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> OSLIST Go<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> to:<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.or" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.or</a><br>>> g<br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> From:<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank"
href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>>> [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] On Behalf Of Craig<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> Gilliam<br>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:49 AM<br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> To:<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org"
style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Dealing with conflicts<br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> I do a great deal of conflict work professionally. I am a<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> practitioner of OS as well.<br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> Rather than hearing only success (and I know that the definition of<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> success<br>>> varies) stories of OS and conflict, I am also interested in those<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> times when someone felt OS did not work
in a conflict situation, or<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> did not work as well as he/she thought it would and what did you learn<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> from those encounters.<br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> Thanks,<br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> Craig<br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:13:58 +0200<br>>>> From:<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mmpanne@boscop.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:mmpanne@boscop.org"
style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">mmpanne@boscop.org</a><br>>>> To:<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>>>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Dealing with conflicts<br>>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> Dear Marie Ann,<br>>>> the gathering Harrison describes (Israelis and Palestinians in Rome)<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> got him to write a book on why os events are so peaceful even in<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> highly conflicting situations.<br>>>> If you like, I will send you a copy of "The Practice of Peace"... of<span
class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> course, you can also get the german version I was involved in: "Raum<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> für den Frieden".<br>>>> In my own experience there have been a number of highly conflicting<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> situations for which sponsors chose Open Space Technology. The<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> biggest job I had was to convince the sponsors that you need nothing<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> but open space and it worked every time (Israelis and Palestinians<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> meeting in Switzerland, Parish Board and church workers at issue with<span
class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> each other, Board of Directors and Marketing Department of a Food<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> Corporation at issue, Welfare Organisation with all subsystems at<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> "war", Highschool with opposing factions of teachers...you name it).<br>>>> Come to think of it, at the beginning of my OSpractice after 35 years<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> of OD consulting, I actually had to convince mainly myself that<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> highly conflicting situations is what os-events run on (one of the<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> five preconditions)... unlearning the old approaches (still very much<span
class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> in<br>>>> vogue!!) was the hard part.<br>>>> Greetings from Berlin<br>>>> mmp<br>>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> On 24.07.2012 22:35, Marie Ann Östlund wrote:<br>>>>> Dear all,<br>>>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>> I just spent a week in a community in France that is divided by<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>> quite a large conflict. Have anyone of you used OS with a group of<span
class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>> people where the conflict is at its hight and emotions are still<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>> strong? I can see that OS can be used in complex conflictual<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>> situations, but wonder whether you would first spend time bringing<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>> down their emotions to a 'manageable' level before attempting to<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>> bring them together into an OS.<br>>>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>> Do you have any experiences in this regard? I'd be very interested<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>> in your
reflections!<br>>>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>> Thank you,<br>>>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>> Marie Ann<br>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>>> OSList mailing list<br>>>>> To post send emails to<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span>To<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>> unsubscribe send an email to<span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org"
target="_blank" href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>>>>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:<br>>>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.or" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.or</a><br>>>>> g<br>>>>> .<br>>>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> --<br>>>> Michael M Pannwitz, boscop eg<br>>>> Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany<br>>>> ++49-30-772 8000<br>>>><span class="yiv2073457153Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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