<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">[Now what I intended to say... Artur]</span></div><div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><br></span></div><div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">-------------</span></div><div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><br></span></div><div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Harrison, Peggy,
all:<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "> </span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Harrison
said: “(...)</span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Times, serif; "> trust</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Times, serif; "> the people to do what they need to do <b>given the
time/space to do it</b>".</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Peggy
commented: "(...) </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Times, serif; ">providing <b>fertile
initial conditions (<u>4 principles</u>, 1 law, and a good<u> question</u></b>) <b>engages</b> people
(...)"</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "> </span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Are these
two equivalent statements? I may be wrong, of course, but I don't think so…<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Apart from the preconditions for a successful OST that HO stated many times
(*), I would think that what is needed is: enough diversity, careful
preparation (pre work), adequate theme (not necessarily a question), a circle,
a bulletin board, a market place, the law, adequate time, trust.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "> </span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">The
principles are not, IMHO, a <b>precondition</b> (or foundation) but
something that<b> always happens</b> given the previous preconditions.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "> </span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">What do you
all think now? (Now because this has been already discussed in the past...)<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Artur<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "> </span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">(*) For
instance, in the "OST Non Guide", page 7:<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">1) A real
business issue of great concern.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">2) High
levels of complexity in terms of the elements of the issue.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">3) High
Levels of diversity in terms of those involved.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">4) The
presence of actual or potential conflict.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">5) A
decision time of yesterday -- i.e. an urgent need for improvement.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "> </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "><br></span></div></div><div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><div id="yiv2006504590"><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><div style="font-family: times, serif; "><div id="yiv2006504590"><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);
font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div> <div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "> <div style="font-family: times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Peggy
Holman <peggy@peggyholman.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> World wide Open Space Technology email list <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, July 26, 2012 4:17 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [OSList] Dealing with conflicts<br> </font> </div> <br>
Harrison,<br><br>I think a powerful lesson that you made visible is providing fertile initial conditions (4 principles, 1 law, and a good question) engages people to work through challenges to what matters. <br><br>Peggy<br>Sent from my iPhone<br><br>On Jul 26, 2012, at 6:58 AM, Harrison Owen <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net">hhowen@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Marie said -- "And Harrison, our own Krishnamurti. No fluff, just open<br>> space! I admire your trust - which is why you're so bold."<br>> <br>> I am not so sure I was being "bold" -- but I surely trust the people to do<br>> what they need to do given the time/space to do it. And they have always<br>> come through. As for my part, I think it has much more to do with my<br>> profound sense of limitations. There is no way in the world I could possibly<br>> control the situation if only because I
completely lack the ability
to<br>> figure out the complex interactions, to say nothing of the history of the<br>> group involved. Only they are fully expert on their lives and living. So<br>> rather that "bold" -- maybe humble? Maybe cowardice? <br>> <br>> ho <br>> <br>> Harrison Owen<br>> 7808 River Falls Dr.<br>> Potomac, MD 20854<br>> USA<br>> <br>> 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)<br>> Camden, Maine 20854<br>> <br>> Phone 301-365-2093<br>> (summer) 207-763-3261<br>> <br>> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.openspaceworld.com/">www.openspaceworld.com</a> <br>> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.ho-image.com/">www.ho-image.com</a> (Personal Website)<br>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST<br>> Go to:<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
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<br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>> [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] On Behalf Of Marie Ann<br>> Östlund<br>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 5:08 PM<br>> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list<br>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Dealing with conflicts<br>> <br>> Wow, thank you for all your responses and wonderful stories. Thank you<br>> Peggy, that's a great example, and Christine - that's an interesting<br>> process.<br>> <br>> I wanted to do something 'constructive' with everyone open enough to meet,<br>> as many felt hopeless about the situation. The
issue now was acute but they<br>> had a 20-30 year history of
difficulties and conflicts.<br>> I only had a few hours so convened a circle and planned a short AI and World<br>> Café, so that they would have some sort of exchange. The floor was<br>> 'high-jacked' though by someone that had important new revelations to<br>> communicate, and I let it be for some time before asking those wanting to<br>> speak about this to convene somewhere else. Those that stayed convened in a<br>> circle and I gave them a talking stick. That went well.<br>> <br>> I was pondering over how it would be to open space in this situation.<br>> As Harrison says, when there is conflict, open space.<br>> <br>> In regards to having an agenda, Brendan, as a mediator I understand that<br>> it's hard for people to hear each other when they are very angry or upset,<br>> at the same time it's important for people to be able to express just how<br>> angry or hurt they are. With OS I'm learning to trust
people to do what they<br>> need to do, and that they will manage themselves. I just wasn't sure if<br>> opening space would really be advisable, even if I thought it might work.<br>> There's nothing like truth, but still I don't want people to get hurt.<br>> <br>> And Harrison, our own Krishnamurti. No fluff, just open space! I admire your<br>> trust - which is why you're so bold.<br>> <br>> Michael, yes do send me Practice of Peace (in english!). You're right that<br>> it's all very much about convincing oneself, and writing to you all is part<br>> of that process for me.<br>> <br>> Thank you Craig for trying to elicit some failure stories from the OS folks.<br>> In conflicts people at least care enough to be in conflict, and OS is all<br>> about what we care about so will have to work.<br>> <br>> Thanks!<br>> <br>> Marie Ann<br>> <br>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Harrison Owen <<a
rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net">hhowen@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<br>>> Good point Craig. We always learn from the exceptions/anomalies. In 27 <br>>> years of opening space, often in genuinely “hairy” situations, I have <br>>> never personally encountered a situation where “it didn’t work.” <br>>> “Working” for me is a fairly pragmatic definition. Folks got together, <br>>> dealt with their issues, and either found solutions or recognized that <br>>> for reasons totally beyond their control, no solution was possible in <br>>> the moment. All of this was done with a high degree of civility, respect,<br>> and economy of effort.<br>>> More often than not, participants will report that they even “had fun.”<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> I have heard of situations that were less than positive. In every
case <br>>> the
fundamental problem seemed to be that the sponsor/facilitator <br>>> tried to “play it safe.” This could mean restricting the time/space <br>>> for discussion, limiting the issues to be discussed (placing them off <br>>> limits), and/or intervening along the way with some form of mediation. <br>>> Some people tried to prepare the way by sharing “Handy Rules for <br>>> treating each other nicely.” I don’t suppose that hurt, but I never <br>>> saw that it made any difference. Truth is in the heat of discussion <br>>> folks don’t seem to pay much attention to rules, except those that are <br>>> generated internally and are integral to the conversation – which is what<br>> I think happens in Open Space.<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> Harrison<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> Harrison<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> Harrison
Owen<br>>> <br>>> 7808 River Falls Dr.<br>>> <br>>> Potomac, MD 20854<br>>> <br>>> USA<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)<br>>> <br>>> Camden, Maine 20854<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> Phone 301-365-2093<br>>> <br>>> (summer) 207-763-3261<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> www.openspaceworld.com<br>>> <br>>> www.ho-image.com (Personal Website)<br>>> <br>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of <br>>> OSLIST Go <br>>> to:<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.or">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.or</a><br>>> g<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> From: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org"
target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>>> [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] On Behalf Of Craig <br>>> Gilliam<br>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:49 AM<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> To: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Dealing with conflicts<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> I do a great deal of conflict work professionally. I am a <br>>> practitioner of OS as well.<br>>> <br>>> Rather than hearing only success (and I know that the definition of <br>>> success<br>>> varies)
stories of OS and conflict, I am also interested in those <br>>> times when
someone felt OS did not work in a conflict situation, or <br>>> did not work as well as he/she thought it would and what did you learn <br>>> from those encounters.<br>>> <br>>> Thanks,<br>>> <br>>> Craig<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>>> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:13:58 +0200<br>>>> From: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mmpanne@boscop.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:mmpanne@boscop.org">mmpanne@boscop.org</a><br>>>> To: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>>>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Dealing with conflicts<br>>>> <br>>>> Dear Marie Ann,<br>>>> the gathering Harrison describes (Israelis and Palestinians in Rome) <br>>>> got him to write a book on why os events are so peaceful even in <br>>>> highly
conflicting situations.<br>>>> If you like, I will send
you a copy of "The Practice of Peace"... of <br>>>> course, you can also get the german version I was involved in: "Raum <br>>>> für den Frieden".<br>>>> In my own experience there have been a number of highly conflicting <br>>>> situations for which sponsors chose Open Space Technology. The <br>>>> biggest job I had was to convince the sponsors that you need nothing <br>>>> but open space and it worked every time (Israelis and Palestinians <br>>>> meeting in Switzerland, Parish Board and church workers at issue with <br>>>> each other, Board of Directors and Marketing Department of a Food <br>>>> Corporation at issue, Welfare Organisation with all subsystems at <br>>>> "war", Highschool with opposing factions of teachers...you name it).<br>>>> Come to think of it, at the beginning of my OSpractice after 35 years <br>>>> of OD consulting, I
actually had to convince mainly myself that <br>>>> highly conflicting situations is what os-events run on (one of the <br>>>> five preconditions)... unlearning the old approaches (still very much <br>>>> in<br>>>> vogue!!) was the hard part.<br>>>> Greetings from Berlin<br>>>> mmp<br>>>> <br>>>> <br>>>> <br>>>> <br>>>> On 24.07.2012 22:35, Marie Ann Östlund wrote:<br>>>>> Dear all,<br>>>>> <br>>>>> I just spent a week in a community in France that is divided by <br>>>>> quite a large conflict. Have anyone of you used OS with a group of <br>>>>> people where the conflict is at its hight and emotions are still <br>>>>> strong? I can see that OS can be used in complex conflictual <br>>>>> situations, but wonder whether you would first spend time bringing <br>>>>>
down their emotions to a 'manageable' level before attempting to <br>>>>> bring them together into an OS.<br>>>>> <br>>>>> Do you have any experiences in this regard? I'd be very interested <br>>>>> in your reflections!<br>>>>> <br>>>>> Thank you,<br>>>>> <br>>>>> Marie Ann<br>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>>> OSList mailing list<br>>>>> To post send emails to <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a> To <br>>>>> unsubscribe send an email to <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>>>>> To subscribe or manage your
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