<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Harrison,<div><br></div><div>Just a suggestion, would you like to give all these comments at the OST page in facebook, where people would press the button "like", without saying anything more.</div><div><br></div><div>It will be more fun <img src="http://mail.yimg.com/nq/mc/1_0_0/mesg/tsmileys2/01.gif" style="font-size: 10pt; ">.</div><div><br></div><div>Franklin</div><div><br><br>--- On <b>Sun, 4/22/12, Harrison Owen <i><hhowen@verizon.net></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Harrison Owen <hhowen@verizon.net><br>Subject: Re: [OSList] "Academic Validity?" (again) [was: Re: (no subject)]<br>To: "'World wide Open Space Technology email list'" <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org><br>Date: Sunday, 22 April, 2012, 5:54 AM<br><br><div
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--></style><div><div class="yiv2047177291WordSection1"><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">And for anybody who cares… I am not offended, insulted, or otherwise compromised – except for the continuing loss of neuronal patterns… Artur – I Love you! And I was JOKING! Horrible American habit. We say one thing – and mean totally the opposite. How weird is that? And a lesson for myself – This is a GLOBAL COMMUNITY, in which we all appear as we are, dressed in our cultural drag (…another bad American saying) – and we totally need to understand that others may not understand us in the way we intended. And isn’t that sad/wonderful? Just another day in Open Space…</span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Harrison</span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><div><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Harrison Owen</span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">7808 River Falls Dr.</span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Potomac, MD 20854</span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">USA</span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)</span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Camden, Maine 20854</span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Phone 301-365-2093</span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">(summer) 207-763-3261</span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">www.openspaceworld.com</span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">www.ho-image.com (Personal Website)</span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D;">To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to:<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org"><span style="color:blue;">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</span></a></span></p></div><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";"> oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org [mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Harrison Owen<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 21, 2012 12:10 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Artur Silva'; 'World wide Open Space Technology email list'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] "Academic Validity?" (again) [was: Re: (no subject)]</span></p></div></div><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"> </p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Artur! I’m insulted!! What do you mean, “but his post is IMHO off topic?” I guess part of the problem is that I never did learn what “IMHO” means. Possibly an indigenous war cry? (IM-HO!!) A new synthetic nutrient, somehow related to TOFU? The Portuguese translation of
SNAFU? Oh well, antediluvian that I am…</span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">ho </span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;"> </span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;"> </span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><div><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Harrison Owen</span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">7808 River Falls Dr.</span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Potomac, MD 20854</span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">USA</span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)</span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Camden, Maine 20854</span></p><p
class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Phone 301-365-2093</span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">(summer) 207-763-3261</span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.openspaceworld.com">www.openspaceworld.com</a></span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
href="http://www.ho-image.com">www.ho-image.com</a> (Personal Website)</span></p><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D;">To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to:<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a></span></p></div><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";"> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank"
href="/mc/compose?to=oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a> [<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Artur Silva<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 21, 2012 10:31 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bbunker@buffalo.edu" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=bbunker@buffalo.edu">bbunker@buffalo.edu</a>; 'World wide Open Space Technology email list'<br><b>Subject:</b> [OSList] "Academic Validity?" (again) [was: Re: (no subject)]</span></p></div></div><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><div><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;">Hi:</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span
style="font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;"><br>1. I fully agree with Barbara.</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;"><br>2. I also agree with Harrison, but his post is IMHO off topic.</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;"><br>3. I am always surprised when people ask questions about a topic (especially if it is about a research topic) without having previously done some little research of their own. My result of a simple search on "research" at "openspacespaceworld.org" conducted me to here: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/news/cat/openspacetech/research/">http://www.openspaceworld.org/news/cat/openspacetech/research/</a> and then to here: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/wiki.cgi?ResearchActivities">http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/wiki.cgi?ResearchActivities</a>.</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;"> </span></p></div><div><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;">Regards</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;"> </span></p></div><div><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;">Artur</span></p></div></div><div><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;"> </span></p></div><div><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal"
style="background:white;"><span style="font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;"> </span></p></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;"><hr size="1" width="100%" align="center"></span></div><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;"> Barbara B. Bu</span><span style="font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;">nker <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bbunker@buffalo.edu" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=bbunker@buffalo.edu">bbunker@buffalo.edu</a>></span><span style="color:black;"></span></p></div><div><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;"> 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>; Harrison Owen <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=hhowen@verizon.net">hhowen@verizon.net</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 21, 2012 1:57 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] (no subject)</span><span style="color:black;"></span></p></div><p class="yiv2047177291MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span style="color:black;"><br>Someone is confused! "Research methods" are things like lab research, field<br>research, qualitative research, unobtrusive methods i.e. ways of collecting
data<br>to study behavior.<br><br>Focus groups, Delphi, and yes, even Open Space are methods used for specific<br>purposes in organizations (and elsewhere). They are not research methods. And<br>yes, there has been research employing focus groups, Delphi, etc in order to<br>study some behavior or outcome.<br><br>It's may be difficult to create a good research study using Open Space but I<br>imagine it may already exist or could be done. B3<br><br><br><br>Barbara B. Bunker Ph.D.<br>Professor of Psychology Emerita<br>The University at Buffalo<br>117 Highland Avenue<br>Buffalo, NY 14222<br>716-881-2166<br><br>On Fri 04/20/12 5:14 PM , "Harrison Owen" <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=hhowen@verizon.net">hhowen@verizon.net</a> sent:<br>> Barry - Just tell Arthur V. that he is absolutely correct. But it is<br>> better than that! Not only is Open Space "academically invalid" -
it<br>> couldn't possibly work, and violates all known principles and<br>> practices of management and meeting management. Definitely a No-No! <br>> But I think all this says much more about Academe than it does about<br>> Open Space, which as we all know - works every time, despite the fact<br>> that it is illegal, immoral and fattening - to say nothing of being<br>> contrary to the best management principles, etc, etc. <br>> You can quote me.<br>> ho<br>> Harrison Owen<br>> <br>> 7808 River Falls Dr.<br>> <br>> Potomac, MD 20854<br>> <br>> USA<br>> 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)<br>> <br>> Camden, Maine 20854<br>> Phone 301-365-2093<br>> <br>> (summer) 207-763-3261<br>> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.openspaceworld.com">www.openspaceworld.com</a><br>> <br>> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.ho-image.com">www.ho-image.com</a> (Personal
Website)<br>> <br>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of<br>> OSLIST Go to:<br>> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a><br>> [1]<br>> FROM: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>> [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] ON BEHALF OF Barry<br>> Owen<br>> SENT: Friday, April 20, 2012 11:55 AM<br>> TO: oslist; <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vasconcelos@alum.mit.edu" target="_blank"
href="/mc/compose?to=vasconcelos@alum.mit.edu">vasconcelos@alum.mit.edu</a><br>> SUBJECT: [OSList] "Academic Validity?"<br>> Hi Folks,<br>> I know this is not the first time this question has surfaced. <br>> Who out there (in here) has some good stuff to share?<br>> This "academic validity" question boggles my mind<br>> The message initially came through the Open Space facebook page<br>> J ARTHUR VASCONCELOS [2] <br>> <br>> Hi! I was questioned about the use of OS in research. I was planning<br>> on using OS for a section of my thesis but got criticized for "OS not<br>> having academic validity" and "has never been used in research" and<br>> "it is not a recognized research method like a focus group or delphi<br>> pannel". HELP! Any info about using OS in academia? Thank you! <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Links:<br>> ------<br>> [1]<br>> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a><br>> [2] <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.facebook.com/jarthur.vasconcelos">http://www.facebook.com/jarthur.vasconcelos</a><br>> <br>> <br><br>_______________________________________________<br>OSList mailing list<br>To post send emails to <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=OSList@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>To unsubscribe send an email to <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:<br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
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