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Hi Harrison,<br>
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That's a great suggestion. Apparently Edward T. Hall is also one of
the pioneers of cross-cultural communication. But I didn't know
about this book.<br>
<br>
Thanks a lot,<br>
<br>
Bui<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The best resources I know on container and
circle practice are the books - and trainings - by Christina
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On 19/01/12 03:18, Birgitt Williams wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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am traveling and don’t have access to my books. I think the
book is Council of the Grandmothers. My apologies for no
clear reference on this one ‘context/container’. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Beautiful Birgitt,<br>
<br>
Do you happen to know of any written sources describing this
practice?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Bui<br>
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On 18/01/2012 2:56 PM, Birgitt Williams wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
love that quote. My experience is that this kind of circle
work without the apparent leader, no decisions, and everyone
participating is always conducted within a context or
container. The context or container, I think, has had
insufficient attention. For example, in many North American
tribes, the group who sat together were men. Behind each of
the men in the circle was a grandmother, not necessarily
present physically in the outside of the circle, but
definitely there. And if the man, maybe a circle of chiefs,
did not perform well in the circle, then after the circle
was done, he had to answer to the grandmother, who could
even remove him from his role.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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have devoted a lot of my attention to the context and the
container within which the participatory circle takes
place..and am fascinated by this dimension of the success of
the participatory circle work.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Birgitt,<br>
<br>
I'm mostly interesting in what is universal (i.e. option 2.)
As someone who has moved around a fair amount myself, I can
certainly identify with your experience.<br>
<br>
I am particularly inspired by the following quote attributed
to David Bohm (supposedly from "On Dialogue" but it is not it
my copy of the book):<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><em>From time to time, (the) tribe
(gathered) in a circle. They just talked and talked and
talked, apparently to no purpose. They made no decisions.
There was no leader. And everybody could participate. There
may have been wise men or wise women that were listened to a
bit more – the older ones – but everybody could talk. The
meeting went on, until it finally seemed to stop for no
reason at all and the group dispersed. Yet after that,
everybody seemed to know what to do, because they understood
each other so well. They could get together in smaller
groups and do something or decide things.</em><o:p></o:p></p>
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Bui<br>
<br>
<br>
On 18/01/2012 12:33 PM, Birgitt Williams wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>One consideration...it is important to distinguish whether you wish to focus<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>on <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>1.what is different among different cultures<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>OR<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>2.what is universal and the same among the entire human race<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>I personally spent years attempting to understand what was different and<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>spent three years of training as a cultural interpreter. I finally figured<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>out that unless I was deeply 'in' a culture, I could not really understand.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>I find this even in my own life. I was born in Germany, yet because I moved<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>to Canada when I was two, I don't totally understand the German culture or<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>forms of dialogue. Because I was an immigrant into Canada, I also never came<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>to fully understand the Canadian culture of ways of dialogue. And then I<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>moved to the southeastern USA some years ago and still am finding my way<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>after 12 years to understand this culture and the nuances of dialogue. I<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>have spent some considerable time in India and in Africa...and the same<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>findings.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>So, after all of my investigations to the cultural differences, when I was<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>putting together our workshop modules, I focused on what is universal, what<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>is the same. We are all members of the human race and what is the same is in<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>us all. <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Blessings,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Birgitt Williams<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>I intend to have them do that but it is part of an academic course. So <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>it is required to be at least a little bit academic. Thanks for the <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>suggestion though. :)<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Bui<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>On 17/01/2012 10:40 PM, doug wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Bui--<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Permit me to borrow the hat from the man and ask: Why have them read<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>about it and listen to someone talking about it? Instead you could have<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>them do dialogue and then report out what it was like and what they<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>learned....<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Or not....<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><Handing hat back to the man><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> :- Doug.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>On Tue, 2012-01-17 at 16:23 -0330, Bui Petersen wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Hi fellow OSers,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>I have been ask to present a talk about on dialogue as part of<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>university course on Cross-cultural communication. I am thinking that it<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>may be interesting to talk about dialogue and how some of the approaches<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>we use are influenced by traditions from different cultures (e.g.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>circles, OS marketplace, etc.). The intent to assign reading for the<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>students prior to the class, but it is proving to be a bit more<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>difficult than expected to find articles on this topic. There are lots<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>of sources on how people from the "west" have gone to other countries to<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>do dialogue, but I have found very little describing traditional<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>dialogue, neither theory or practice. (one likely problem is that what I<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>am referring to as "dialogue" may well be called something else in the<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>literature).<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Does anyone have any suggestions? Theoretical sources are OK too.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Always grateful for the generous help from this list. Thanks!<o:p></o:p></pre>
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