<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div id="yiv862450754"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12pt; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><div id="yiv862450754"><div id="yiv862450754yui_3_2_0_19_1324117429507496"><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12pt; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; " class="yiv862450754yui_3_2_0_19_132411742950750" id="yiv862450754yui_3_2_0_19_1324117429507497"><div id="yiv862450754yui_3_2_0_17_132394685149148"><span id="yiv862450754yui_3_2_0_17_1323946851491496"></span></div><div id="yiv862450754yui_3_2_0_19_1324117429507491"><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white;
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the OSlist. I have chosen this one to answer as I could have chosen any other
on the same topic.<o:p></o:p></span></div>

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cultures.<o:p></o:p></span></div>

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but you have not mentioned Taoism, which, IMHO, is the basis for many of them -
with a small difference.<o:p></o:p></span></div>

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that I prefer to translate as "The Book of the Way and the
Virtue/Integrity", that I bought many years ago in Macao, in a (good)
Portuguese translation, I find some very interesting points:<o:p></o:p></span></div>

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and there is no Creator and no God (nor Gods) in it.<o:p></o:p></span></div>

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"can't be named". Hence it is so compatible with the Big Bang hypothesis
as to any other (scientific or not).<o:p></o:p></span></div>

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and the virtue can be considered as an ethic (even - one could sustain - an
atheistic one).<o:p></o:p></span></div>

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than of a religious moral (that many of the “converts” often don’t respect,
btw).<o:p></o:p></span></div>

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6. I have no problem with Harrison being a priest (as well as Brian was), if he
(they) don't try to justify Open Space from their religious convictions, which
I never saw any of them doing - and, if they did, that would mean, btw, "invoking the name
of God in vain" ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></div>

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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Regards  <o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "><br></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position:
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 Open Space Technology email list <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:12 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> [OSList]
 Individual and collective master (was: OST - Open Systems Thinking)<br> </font> <br>
<div id="yiv862450754"><div>Harrison and all<div><br></div><div>I like the recently upcoming discussion about the history of Systems Thinking, but I would also like to make a big jump from this. </div><div><br></div><div>I am not shure, but to me it seems to not be by pure "accident". <div>1. Recently Stanley park wrote "Now is the territory of Peace- Nirvana" </div><div>2. And some days later you Harrison wrote "<span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span yiv862450754yui_3_2_0_17_1323946851491283 yiv862450754yui_3_2_0_19_1324117429507280" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 15px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Open the space of your life and the lives of those around you, and you will discover your own natural state". </span><div><span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span yiv862450754yui_3_2_0_17_1323946851491285 yiv862450754yui_3_2_0_19_1324117429507282" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 15px; font-family: Calibri,
 sans-serif; "><br></span></div><div><span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span yiv862450754yui_3_2_0_17_1323946851491287 yiv862450754yui_3_2_0_19_1324117429507284" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 15px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">"Your own natural state", that is exactly how Buddhist masters (like e.g. Chögyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche, the contemporary Tibetan Dzogchen-teacher) refer to what is often called enlightenment, liberation, Rigpa, ... </span></div><div><span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span yiv862450754yui_3_2_0_17_1323946851491289 yiv862450754yui_3_2_0_19_1324117429507286" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 15px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><br></span></div><div><font class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" style="font-size:15px;">Although it is not really possible to "feel" something behind the words of a written
 posting, I always felt some
 kind of reluctance by side of you, when somebody in the group related the effects of OST or the OS spirit to central Buddhist concepts. Would you prefer to not discuss it (treat it as a tabu) or am I
 completely wrong here? (And my feeling demasked as pseudo-feeling;-)</span></font></div><div><font class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" style="font-size:15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" style="font-size:15px;">I am here in Sri Lanka at the beginning of the 7th year of residence, the place/space where Gautamas words have been put into Pali language and written down some hundreds of years after his passing away/paranirvana. So all this is resonating in me as a kind of effect of the Spirit of the space/genius loci. </span></font></div><div><font class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" style="font-size:15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font
 class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" style="font-size:15px;">Anyhow I would like to invite you and all to explore, if the following idea makes sense: </span></font></div><div><font class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" style="font-size:15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" style="font-size:15px;">What the two citations above seem to hint at in my eyes , is a quite specific function/effect of Open Space: being a trigger for processes during which not only things get done, as it has been pointed out again and again, but a trigger for processes that may also lead to enlightenment. If there is some value in that idea, then OS might
 be </span></font><span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span yiv862450754yui_3_2_0_17_1323946851491319 yiv862450754yui_3_2_0_19_1324117429507316" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 15px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">a collective equivalent of a master</span></div><div><span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span yiv862450754yui_3_2_0_17_1323946851491321 yiv862450754yui_3_2_0_19_1324117429507318" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 15px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><br></span></div><div><span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span yiv862450754yui_3_2_0_17_1323946851491323 yiv862450754yui_3_2_0_19_1324117429507320" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 15px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">A master also can only be a trigger, because as already the historical Gautama (called the Buddha) stated, that he can, on basis of his own experience only show the way, point to the right direction, but the practitioner has to do the
 work. There is no way that the master can do it (the
 full liberation, the reaching of the natural state) for the student.</span></div><div><span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span yiv862450754yui_3_2_0_17_1323946851491325 yiv862450754yui_3_2_0_19_1324117429507322" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 15px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><br></span></div><div><span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span yiv862450754yui_3_2_0_17_1323946851491327 yiv862450754yui_3_2_0_19_1324117429507324" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 15px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">So I am wondering if the efficiency and effectiveness of OST in getting things done, is not intrinsicly knitted together with (alias dialectically connected to) this "collective master function". Two sides of one medal?</span></div><div><font class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" style="font-size:15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font
 class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" style="font-size:15px;">Of course I am not interested to tie OS to Buddhism as a belief
 system. </span></font></div><div><font class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" style="font-size:15px;">But of course my understanding of the ways to enlightenment is also not tied to a specific belief system. I have luckily been exposed to "passion, responsability and love " in- and outside of OST in various cultures like my own Christian culture in Austria, Candomblé in Brazil, animistic cults (as the christians call them) in Africa, Buddhism of the Theravada, Mahayana, and Tibetan tradition (Buddhism fused with Bön), Yoga in India...  And it always works and in all kinds of places.</span></font></div><div><font class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" style="font-size:15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri,
 sans-serif"><span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" style="font-size:15px;">So once again: might it be legitimate, make sense and be useful to look at OST as a kind of set up for a collective master without a present individual guru?</span></font></div><div><font class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" style="font-size:15px;">Or not?</span></font></div><div><font class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" style="font-size:15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" style="font-size:15px;">Bernd/Colombo</span></font></div><div><font class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span"
 style="font-size:15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" style="font-size:15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" style="font-size:15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" style="font-size:15px;"> </span></font></div><div><font class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" style="font-size:15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" style="font-size:15px;">. <br></span></font><div>
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 "><span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" style="font-size:12px;"><span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span yiv862450754yui_3_2_0_17_1323946851491417 yiv862450754yui_3_2_0_19_1324117429507414" style="border-collapse: separate; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; "><div style="word-wrap:break-word;"><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br class="yiv862450754Apple-interchange-newline">Bernd Weber</div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Change Facilitation s.r.o., <span class="yiv862450754Apple-style-span" style="color:rgb(20, 79, 174);">A Global Partner Who Makes Change Happen in Complex Environments; <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
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