<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hello my friends,<div><br></div><div>I can add some experiences from Journalism That Matters to this thread. We have had live streaming, a Twitter wall, Skype sessions, and more over the last few years. We've been using a WordPress blog for notes for the last few years. So people can add comments. We've even had two video harvests:</div><div><br></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#010000">From Seattle in 2010:</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#b8265c"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erZd_Dxr98s&feature=player_embedded">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erZd_Dxr98s&feature=player_embedded</a></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#b8265c"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#010000">Here's a graphic record of the conference:</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#b8265c"><a href="http://journalismthatmatters.org/jtmpnw/2010/12/25/jtmpnw-as-seen-through-graphic-recording/">http://journalismthatmatters.org/jtmpnw/2010/12/25/jtmpnw-as-seen-through-graphic-recording/</a></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#b8265c"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#020000">And from MIT in Cambridge earlier this year:</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#b8265c"><a href="http://journalismthatmatters.org/biblionews/2011/06/24/video/">http://journalismthatmatters.org/biblionews/2011/06/24/video/</a></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#b8265c"><br></font></div><div>What has worked is a small, dedicated team. Since we're working with journalists, we have people who are familiar with and have access to cameras and good microphones. We've often had a couple people on camera throughout. I love having the Twitter wall, as it not only enables folks outside to follow the event, but it makes the back channel visible to those in the room. </div><div><br></div><div>The Skype sessions work when someone at the conference partners with those not present. As in Phelim's example, someone was passionate about bringing the person into a session.</div><div><br></div><div>We paid filmmakers to make the two videos. Not much, but something for all their time and expertise.</div><div><br></div><div>So it can be done. It just takes people taking responsibility for what matters to them. Sound familiar???</div><div><br></div><div>appreciatively,</div><div>Peggy</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Nov 1, 2011, at 4:02 AM, Artur Silva wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Phelim, Harold, Suzanne and all:<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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the ways we can have "legitimate peripheral participation” - without
disrupting, of course, what is happening in the event.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "><br>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Let me remind one that you have not commented upon - the idea of having the
reports of the breakout sessions displayed in a wiki. This was done in the
WOSonOS in SvenMark (and I would like to hear comments from the conveners and
the participants that were present about that experience). I have repeated the
experience for an association of Information Systems that had some success as many
people had laptops and there were many desktops available, so people could read
the reports on the wall but also on the computers.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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London) with new technologies, we will be able to do OST events or even WOSonOS’s
in many places simultaneously, connect through some technologies.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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occupy movements or other citizen participation <i>fora</i>.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Artur<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div> </div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Phelim <<a href="mailto:phelim@mac.com">phelim@mac.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> World wide Open Space Technology email list <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:18 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[OSList] Happy wosonos - From Chile to London<br></font><br>
<div id="yiv935697662"><div><div><div>Yes Harold,</div><div><br></div><div>You're chiming with my experience. When we did the Devoted and Disgruntled open space for improvisation a few months ago. We wanted Jim Sweeney to be able to participate Jim Sweeney is one of the best improvisers in the world and an elder of that community. He also has MS so would have to join remotely from his bed where he spends most of his time these days. </div><div><br></div><div>So we included Jim as a session. Saying he'd be online in the corner of the room for about an hour and a half. It was very successful. He had a great conversation with Roddy Maude-Roxby of Theatre Machine (Keith Johnstone's original company) and also did some Improvised scenes online.</div><div><span class="yiv935697662Apple-style-span" style=""><br></span></div><div><span class="yiv935697662Apple-style-span" style="">So including online participation as a session means people who can use
their feet in relation to it rather than trying to bend the whole group to the technology link as you describe can happen. </span></div><div><span class="yiv935697662Apple-style-span" style=""><br></span></div><div><span class="yiv935697662Apple-style-span" style="">Another experience we have had is where Ragnar Friiedank was present roved with his recording equipment: (IPhone and audio) and created a collage. He didn't join sessions just walked round the room picking up snatches of conversations and ambient sound. This be ame a sound collage which captured some of the atmosphere and passion without disrupting the groups. Of course spreading this material any wider would involve permissions from people! Particularly actors for example who's voices are their trade! </span></div><div><span class="yiv935697662Apple-style-span" style=""> </span></div><div><br></div><div><span class="yiv935697662Apple-style-span" style="">Best </span></div><div><div>Phelim </div><div>________________________________</div><div><br></div>I generally pick up<span class="yiv935697662Apple-style-span" style=""> emails only at the beginning and end of the working day. I am currently aiming to respond the following day. If it is urgent please call me on 07956 187298. </span><div><div><span class="yiv935697662Apple-style-span" style="">_____________________________________</span></div><div><span class="yiv935697662Apple-style-span" style=""><br></span></div><div><div><div><span class="yiv935697662Apple-style-span" style=""><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.improbable.co.uk/">www.improbable.co.uk</a></span></div><div>@openspacer</div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div><div><br>On 30 Oct 2011, at 06:15, Harold Shinsato <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:harold@shinsato.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:harold@shinsato.com">harold@shinsato.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
Artur,<br>
<br>
Thanks for keeping this conversation alive, and extending the
options for next year's WOSonOS to have a good and beneficial online
presence.<br>
<br>
I hope to join the London conversation in person as well and have
some passion for this question and would love to help if possible.<br>
<br>
There was an event a couple weeks ago where some folks wanted to
come but couldn't be there in person - so they had a camera and a
TinyChat window open on a laptop to help remote people participate.
I'd managed to convince the group to meet in a circle - though it
wasn't a full on OST event. (This was an Occupy Missoula General
Assembly by the way!) It was interesting to watch the facilitator
pushing to break the energy of the circle and get everyone to talk
to the laptop at the front of the room and a horrible lectern
instead of to the circle. But then the power of the circle won so
instead the facilitator took the laptop with the camera into the
circle and aimed it at the person speaking. The facilitator also
spoke out questions/comments that got typed to the group.<br>
<br>
In my judgement, the online participation was very disruptive to the
energy of the circle when the facilitator tried to force everyone to
comply with the needs of that darn laptop. But when the facilitator,
who clearly had passion about including the online people, moved the
laptop to the center and occasionally brought in the thoughts of the
online attendees - it felt like it added to the circle.<br>
<br>
This is a tricky one! There are challenges and benefits. Opening
events to an online or recorded presence can either harm or bless,
and usually it does both!<br>
<br>
At the WOSonOS in Berlin in 2009 I recorded video and audio of some
of the events - and that seemed to energize some of the
conversations and make it more animated as well as make it possible
to share the power of the conversations. But one session I tried to
record with audio caused discomfort to the convener of the session
and I can understand how even just turning on an audio recorder (let
alone a video camcorder) can change the feeling of freedom and
safety of the participants. This is definitely a dance which can be
gracious and also clumsy.<br>
<br>
Whoever Comes and Wherever it Happens both seem to be increasingly
extending out into the internet and online - either with cameras and
microphones or with twitter and blogs. However this happens - it
would be great to have the pre-work help it be more of a blessing
than a curse when WOSonOS comes to London.<br>
<br>
Blessings!<br>
Harold<br>
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On 10/23/11 11:11 AM, Artur Silva wrote:
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color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">Hi
Phelim,</span></div>
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</span></div>
<div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">The
problem with "Whoever comes are the right people" is: what
does it
mean "who comes" in these days?</span></div>
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color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">I
have heard of companies that have made OST meetings with
simultaneous
gatherings in two or more different locations, connected
by ITC. In my opinion
all the people in any of those gatherings "came together"</span></div>
<div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">I
have attended many conferences and meetings with people in
many different
locations. These people "come together," still being away
from each
other, in a "coming together" that was mediated by ICT and
not by
plane (with a lower ecological footprint, btw).</span></div>
<div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">We
all know of "communities" whose members are far away and
even never
seen each other (the two of us, as members of the "OST
Community",
are a good example).</span></div>
<div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">And
when someone in one place connects with many people in
many different places,
using Skype or any other tool - including the telephone -
are they "coming
together" or not?</span></div>
<div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">During
the OSonOS of 2003 in "SvenMark" the reports of the
breakout sessions
were immediately putted in a Wiki and displayed in the
web, were they could be
commented by people not in the meeting and eventually
re-commented by the
people in the gathering. Being ill in bed with a lot of
free time I was one of
those long distance participants. IMHO those outside that
followed and
commented the event were also "coming", in a form of Jean
Lave's
"legitimate peripheral participation". </span></div>
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color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">If
OST changed the way we do meetings, ICT is changing the
way we "come together"
and create communities. I am sure that we can have the
best of those two worlds
if we are able to think about that in an innovative way.</span></div>
<div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">I
agree with Susanne's suggestion of creating an
international support group to
help the London Hosting team with that.</span></div>
<div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">Anyhow,
I am planning to go to London, so this is not a personnel
interest; it is something
I think we must consider and the sooner the better.</span></div>
<div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">Care</span></div>
<div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">Artur </span></div>
<div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB"><br>
</span></div>
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<div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal"><span class="yiv935697662apple-style-span"><span style="color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">PS: You also
wrote about "</span>being able to
view something through a camera like a security guard<span>".
What I think you are missing is that
people that are seeing "through the camera"</span></span><span class="yiv935697662apple-converted-space"><span style="color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></span><span class="yiv935697662apple-style-span"><b><span style="color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">are not</span></b></span><span class="yiv935697662apple-converted-space"><span style="color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></span><span class="yiv935697662apple-style-span"><span style="color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">security
guards. They are
OST facilitators, members of the community, that in
many cases have already
attended OST events and maybe even previous WOSonOS.
If that was not true they
would never know about the transmission, neither be
interested in following it. </span></span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></div>
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