<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hello my friends,<div><br></div><div>I can add some experiences from Journalism That Matters to this thread.  We have had live streaming, a Twitter wall, Skype sessions, and more over the last few years.  We've been using a WordPress blog for notes for the last few years.  So people can add comments.  We've even had two video harvests:</div><div><br></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#010000">From Seattle in 2010:</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#b8265c"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erZd_Dxr98s&feature=player_embedded">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erZd_Dxr98s&feature=player_embedded</a></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#b8265c"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#010000">Here's a graphic record of the conference:</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#b8265c"><a href="http://journalismthatmatters.org/jtmpnw/2010/12/25/jtmpnw-as-seen-through-graphic-recording/">http://journalismthatmatters.org/jtmpnw/2010/12/25/jtmpnw-as-seen-through-graphic-recording/</a></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#b8265c"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#020000">And from MIT in Cambridge earlier this year:</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#b8265c"><a href="http://journalismthatmatters.org/biblionews/2011/06/24/video/">http://journalismthatmatters.org/biblionews/2011/06/24/video/</a></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#b8265c"><br></font></div><div>What has worked is a small, dedicated team.  Since we're working with journalists, we have people who are familiar with and have access to cameras and good microphones.  We've often had a couple people on camera throughout.  I love having the Twitter wall, as it not only enables folks outside to follow the event, but it makes the back channel visible to those in the room.  </div><div><br></div><div>The Skype sessions work when someone at the conference partners with those not present.  As in Phelim's example, someone was passionate about bringing the person into a session.</div><div><br></div><div>We paid filmmakers to make the two videos.  Not much, but something for all their time and expertise.</div><div><br></div><div>So it can be done.  It just takes people taking responsibility for what matters to them.  Sound familiar???</div><div><br></div><div>appreciatively,</div><div>Peggy</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Nov 1, 2011, at 4:02 AM, Artur Silva wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Phelim, Harold, Suzanne and all:<o:p></o:p></span></div>

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the ways we can have "legitimate peripheral participation” - without
disrupting, of course, what is happening in the event.<o:p></o:p></span></div>

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reports of the breakout sessions displayed in a wiki. This was done in the
WOSonOS in SvenMark (and I would like to hear comments from the conveners and
the participants that were present about that experience). I have repeated the
experience for an association of Information Systems that had some success as many
people had laptops and there were many desktops available, so people could read
the reports on the wall but also on the computers.<o:p></o:p></span></div>

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London) with new technologies, we will be able to do OST events or even WOSonOS’s
in many places simultaneously, connect through some technologies.<o:p></o:p></span></div>

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 [OSList] Happy wosonos - From Chile to London<br></font><br>
<div id="yiv935697662"><div><div><div>Yes Harold,</div><div><br></div><div>You're chiming with my experience. When we did the Devoted and Disgruntled open space for improvisation  a few months ago. We wanted Jim Sweeney to be able to participate Jim Sweeney is one of the best improvisers in the world and an elder of that community. He also has MS so would have to join remotely from his bed where he spends most of his time these days. </div><div><br></div><div>So we included Jim as a session. Saying he'd be online in the corner of the room for about an hour and a half. It was very successful. He had a great conversation with Roddy Maude-Roxby of Theatre Machine (Keith Johnstone's original company) and also did some Improvised scenes online.</div><div><span class="yiv935697662Apple-style-span" style=""><br></span></div><div><span class="yiv935697662Apple-style-span" style="">So including online participation as a session means people who can use
 their feet in relation to it rather than trying to bend the whole group to the technology link as you describe can happen. </span></div><div><span class="yiv935697662Apple-style-span" style=""><br></span></div><div><span class="yiv935697662Apple-style-span" style="">Another experience we have had is where Ragnar Friiedank was present roved with his recording equipment: (IPhone and audio) and created a collage. He didn't join sessions just walked round the room picking up snatches of conversations and ambient sound. This be ame a sound collage which captured some of the atmosphere and passion without disrupting the groups. Of course spreading this material any wider would involve permissions from people! Particularly actors for example who's voices are their trade! </span></div><div><span class="yiv935697662Apple-style-span" style=""> </span></div><div><br></div><div><span class="yiv935697662Apple-style-span" style="">Best </span></div><div><div>Phelim </div><div>________________________________</div><div><br></div>I generally pick up<span class="yiv935697662Apple-style-span" style=""> emails only at the beginning and end of the working day. I am currently aiming to respond the following day. If it is urgent please call me on 07956 187298. </span><div><div><span class="yiv935697662Apple-style-span" style="">_____________________________________</span></div><div><span class="yiv935697662Apple-style-span" style=""><br></span></div><div><div><div><span class="yiv935697662Apple-style-span" style=""><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.improbable.co.uk/">www.improbable.co.uk</a></span></div><div>@openspacer</div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div><div><br>On 30 Oct 2011, at 06:15, Harold Shinsato <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:harold@shinsato.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:harold@shinsato.com">harold@shinsato.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
    Artur,<br>
    <br>
    Thanks for keeping this conversation alive, and extending the
    options for next year's WOSonOS to have a good and beneficial online
    presence.<br>
    <br>
    I hope to join the London conversation in person as well and have
    some passion for this question and would love to help if possible.<br>
    <br>
    There was an event a couple weeks ago where some folks wanted to
    come but couldn't be there in person - so they had a camera and a
    TinyChat window open on a laptop to help remote people participate.
    I'd managed to convince the group to meet in a circle - though it
    wasn't a full on OST event. (This was an Occupy Missoula General
    Assembly by the way!) It was interesting to watch the facilitator
    pushing to break the energy of the circle and get everyone to talk
    to the laptop at the front of the room and a horrible lectern
    instead of to the circle. But then the power of the circle won so
    instead the facilitator took the laptop with the camera into the
    circle and aimed it at the person speaking. The facilitator also
    spoke out questions/comments that got typed to the group.<br>
    <br>
    In my judgement, the online participation was very disruptive to the
    energy of the circle when the facilitator tried to force everyone to
    comply with the needs of that darn laptop. But when the facilitator,
    who clearly had passion about including the online people, moved the
    laptop to the center and occasionally brought in the thoughts of the
    online attendees - it felt like it added to the circle.<br>
    <br>
    This is a tricky one! There are challenges and benefits. Opening
    events to an online or recorded presence can either harm or bless,
    and usually it does both!<br>
    <br>
    At the WOSonOS in Berlin in 2009 I recorded video and audio of some
    of the events - and that seemed to energize some of the
    conversations and make it more animated as well as make it possible
    to share the power of the conversations. But one session I tried to
    record with audio caused discomfort to the convener of the session
    and I can understand how even just turning on an audio recorder (let
    alone a video camcorder) can change the feeling of freedom and
    safety of the participants. This is definitely a dance which can be
    gracious and also clumsy.<br>
    <br>
    Whoever Comes and Wherever it Happens both seem to be increasingly
    extending out into the internet and online - either with cameras and
    microphones or with twitter and blogs. However this happens - it
    would be great to have the pre-work help it be more of a blessing
    than a curse when WOSonOS comes to London.<br>
    <br>
        Blessings!<br>
        Harold<br>
    <br>
    On 10/23/11 11:11 AM, Artur Silva wrote:
    <blockquote type="cite">
      <div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12pt; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; ">
        <div>
          <div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">Hi
              Phelim,</span></div> 
          <div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB"><br>
              <br>
              </span></div> 
          <div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">The
              problem with "Whoever comes are the right people" is: what
              does it
              mean "who comes" in these days?</span></div> 
          <div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">  </span></div> 
          <div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">I
              have heard of companies that have made OST meetings with
              simultaneous
              gatherings in two or more different locations, connected
              by ITC. In my opinion
              all the people in any of those gatherings "came together"</span></div> 
          <div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">  </span></div> 
          <div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">I
              have attended many conferences and meetings with people in
              many different
              locations. These people "come together," still being away
              from each
              other, in a "coming together" that was mediated by ICT and
              not by
              plane (with a lower ecological footprint, btw).</span></div> 
          <div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">  </span></div> 
          <div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">We
              all know of "communities" whose members are far away and
              even never
              seen each other (the two of us, as members of the "OST
              Community",
              are a good example).</span></div> 
          <div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">  </span></div> 
          <div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">And
              when someone in one place connects with many people in
              many different places,
              using Skype or any other tool - including the telephone -
              are they "coming
              together" or not?</span></div> 
          <div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">  </span></div> 
          <div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">During
              the OSonOS of 2003 in "SvenMark" the reports of the
              breakout sessions
              were immediately putted in a Wiki and displayed in the
              web, were they could be
              commented by people not in the meeting and eventually
              re-commented by the
              people in the gathering. Being ill in bed with a lot of
              free time I was one of
              those long distance participants. IMHO those outside that
              followed and
              commented the event were also "coming", in a form of Jean
              Lave's
              "legitimate peripheral participation". </span></div> 
          <div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">  </span></div> 
          <div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">If
              OST changed the way we do meetings, ICT is changing the
              way we "come together"
              and create communities. I am sure that we can have the
              best of those two worlds
              if we are able to think about that in an innovative way.</span></div> 
          <div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">  </span></div> 
          <div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">I
              agree with Susanne's suggestion of creating an
              international support group to
              help the London Hosting team with that.</span></div> 
          <div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">  </span></div> 
          <div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">Anyhow,
              I am planning to go to London, so this is not a personnel
              interest; it is something
              I think we must consider and the sooner the better.</span></div> 
          <div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">  </span></div> 
          <div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">Care</span></div> 
          <div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">  </span></div> 
          <div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">Artur   </span></div>
          <div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB"><br>
            </span></div>
          <div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal;"><font class="yiv935697662Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, sans-serif">
              <div class="yiv935697662MsoNormal"><span class="yiv935697662apple-style-span"><span style="color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">PS: You also
                    wrote about "</span>being able to
                  view something through a camera like a security guard<span>".
                    What I think you are missing is that
                    people that are seeing "through the camera"</span></span><span class="yiv935697662apple-converted-space"><span style="color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></span><span class="yiv935697662apple-style-span"><b><span style="color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">are not</span></b></span><span class="yiv935697662apple-converted-space"><span style="color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></span><span class="yiv935697662apple-style-span"><span style="color:black;background:white;" lang="EN-GB">security
                    guards. They are
                    OST facilitators, members of the community, that in
                    many cases have already
                    attended OST events and maybe even previous WOSonOS.
                    If that was not true they
                    would never know about the transmission, neither be
                    interested in following it. </span></span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></div> 
            </font></div>
          <br>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="yiv935697662moz-signature">-- <br>
      Harold Shinsato<br>
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