Love the inquiry you bring to this question Harold. The pluses of it and the potential disruption of it should it interfere with the intimacy of the connections and the "in the moment" conversations.<br><br>Something that was really fun in Chile that I did was using Skype to introduce a few family members and colleagues to some folks. With my sister who knows how passionate I am about Open Space (our family hosted an open space for family and friends a few years ago on the theme: "If I could change my world a little bit..."), I took her on a walking tour of our Open Space room. I pointed my computer camera to the marketplace wall, I showed her the newsroom, the circle, the flowers, the silent auction/Access Queen table of goodies, the beautifully arranged room and through the window the gorgeous mountains in the background. I even introduced her to a few people who were passing by and they had a short chat. Did the same with Elaine Hansen one evening introducing her to people who came by as I was sitting outside. It was part of the sharing in the moment, bringing her into the brimming energy and excitement of this event.<br>
<br>Got me thinking that maybe at WOSonOS London, we could carve out a meet/greet of physical virtual inviting walkarounds of the room and people introducing each other in small conversations (nothing formal, similar to what I did with people just saying hi, seeing the room and getting a virtual feel of the energy and hospitality). Just a thought!<br>
<br>Suzanne<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 6:15 AM, Harold Shinsato <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:harold@shinsato.com">harold@shinsato.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
Artur,<br>
<br>
Thanks for keeping this conversation alive, and extending the
options for next year's WOSonOS to have a good and beneficial online
presence.<br>
<br>
I hope to join the London conversation in person as well and have
some passion for this question and would love to help if possible.<br>
<br>
There was an event a couple weeks ago where some folks wanted to
come but couldn't be there in person - so they had a camera and a
TinyChat window open on a laptop to help remote people participate.
I'd managed to convince the group to meet in a circle - though it
wasn't a full on OST event. (This was an Occupy Missoula General
Assembly by the way!) It was interesting to watch the facilitator
pushing to break the energy of the circle and get everyone to talk
to the laptop at the front of the room and a horrible lectern
instead of to the circle. But then the power of the circle won so
instead the facilitator took the laptop with the camera into the
circle and aimed it at the person speaking. The facilitator also
spoke out questions/comments that got typed to the group.<br>
<br>
In my judgement, the online participation was very disruptive to the
energy of the circle when the facilitator tried to force everyone to
comply with the needs of that darn laptop. But when the facilitator,
who clearly had passion about including the online people, moved the
laptop to the center and occasionally brought in the thoughts of the
online attendees - it felt like it added to the circle.<br>
<br>
This is a tricky one! There are challenges and benefits. Opening
events to an online or recorded presence can either harm or bless,
and usually it does both!<br>
<br>
At the WOSonOS in Berlin in 2009 I recorded video and audio of some
of the events - and that seemed to energize some of the
conversations and make it more animated as well as make it possible
to share the power of the conversations. But one session I tried to
record with audio caused discomfort to the convener of the session
and I can understand how even just turning on an audio recorder (let
alone a video camcorder) can change the feeling of freedom and
safety of the participants. This is definitely a dance which can be
gracious and also clumsy.<br>
<br>
Whoever Comes and Wherever it Happens both seem to be increasingly
extending out into the internet and online - either with cameras and
microphones or with twitter and blogs. However this happens - it
would be great to have the pre-work help it be more of a blessing
than a curse when WOSonOS comes to London.<br>
<br>
Blessings!<br>
Harold<div class="im"><br>
<br>
On 10/23/11 11:11 AM, Artur Silva wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">
<div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt">
<div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white" lang="EN-GB">Hi
Phelim,<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white" lang="EN-GB"><br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white" lang="EN-GB">The
problem with "Whoever comes are the right people" is: what
does it
mean "who comes" in these days?<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white" lang="EN-GB">I
have heard of companies that have made OST meetings with
simultaneous
gatherings in two or more different locations, connected
by ITC. In my opinion
all the people in any of those gatherings "came together"<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white" lang="EN-GB">I
have attended many conferences and meetings with people in
many different
locations. These people "come together," still being away
from each
other, in a "coming together" that was mediated by ICT and
not by
plane (with a lower ecological footprint, btw).<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white" lang="EN-GB">We
all know of "communities" whose members are far away and
even never
seen each other (the two of us, as members of the "OST
Community",
are a good example).<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white" lang="EN-GB">And
when someone in one place connects with many people in
many different places,
using Skype or any other tool - including the telephone -
are they "coming
together" or not?<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white" lang="EN-GB">During
the OSonOS of 2003 in "SvenMark" the reports of the
breakout sessions
were immediately putted in a Wiki and displayed in the
web, were they could be
commented by people not in the meeting and eventually
re-commented by the
people in the gathering. Being ill in bed with a lot of
free time I was one of
those long distance participants. IMHO those outside that
followed and
commented the event were also "coming", in a form of Jean
Lave's
"legitimate peripheral participation". <u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white" lang="EN-GB">If
OST changed the way we do meetings, ICT is changing the
way we "come together"
and create communities. I am sure that we can have the
best of those two worlds
if we are able to think about that in an innovative way.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white" lang="EN-GB">I
agree with Susanne's suggestion of creating an
international support group to
help the London Hosting team with that.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white" lang="EN-GB">Anyhow,
I am planning to go to London, so this is not a personnel
interest; it is something
I think we must consider and the sooner the better.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white" lang="EN-GB">Care<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white" lang="EN-GB">Artur </span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white" lang="EN-GB"><br>
</span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><font face="Verdana, sans-serif">
<div class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;background:white" lang="EN-GB">PS: You also
wrote about "</span>being able to
view something through a camera like a security guard<span>".
What I think you are missing is that
people that are seeing "through the camera"</span></span><span><span style="color:black;background:white" lang="EN-GB"> </span></span><span><b><span style="color:black;background:white" lang="EN-GB">are not</span></b></span><span><span style="color:black;background:white" lang="EN-GB"> </span></span><span><span style="color:black;background:white" lang="EN-GB">security
guards. They are
OST facilitators, members of the community, that in
many cases have already
attended OST events and maybe even previous WOSonOS.
If that was not true they
would never know about the transmission, neither be
interested in following it. </span></span><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u><u></u></span></div>
</font></div>
<br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
</div><font color="#888888"><div>-- <br>
Harold Shinsato<br>
<a href="mailto:harold@shinsato.com" target="_blank">harold@shinsato.com</a><br>
<a href="http://shinsato.com" target="_blank">http://shinsato.com</a><br>
twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/hajush" target="_blank">@hajush</a></div>
</font></div>
<br>_______________________________________________<br>
OSList mailing list<br>
To post send emails to <a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>
To unsubscribe send an email to <a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br>
To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:<br>
<a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" target="_blank">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Suzanne Daigle<br>NuFocus Strategic Group<br>7159 Victoria Circle<br>University Park, FL 34201<br>FL 941-359-8877; <br>CT 203-722-2009<br><a href="http://www.nufocusgroup.com" target="_blank">www.nufocusgroup.com</a><br>
<a href="mailto:s.daigle@nufocusgroup.com" target="_blank">s.daigle@nufocusgroup.com</a><br>twitter @suzannedaigle<br><br>