<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div id="yiv1154861482"><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12pt; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><div id="yiv1154861482yui_3_2_0_19_131684984462548" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span id="yiv1154861482yui_3_2_0_19_1316849844625130"></span></div><div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:
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color:black;background:white;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:PT">Thanks,
Skye. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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color:black;background:white;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:PT">Indeed
Arie de Geus is one of my favorite authors since the publication of his seminal
HBR article "Planning as Learning", in 1988, to the publication of
his book "The Living Company", that you mentioned. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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color:black;background:white;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:PT">Having
been a practitioner, that entered Shell after the University, in the Netherlands,
as an Engineer, and retired as V-P for Strategic Planning of the Shell Group,
his study on the longevity (and learning, adaptation and change) of companies
is a master piece. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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color:black;background:white;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:PT">Being
a modest person, he is much less well known then the presumptuous academic
Peter Senge that has tried to "discipline" the so called
"Learning Organizations" with limited success. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:
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color:black;background:white;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:PT">It
is interesting to note that, in his Forward to de Geus' "The Living
Company" (a book with limited sales), Peter Senge wrote: </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;
mso-fareast-language:PT"> "<b>It was through Arie de Geus, whom I met
over 15 years ago, that I first became seriously acquainted with the
concepts of organizational learning. That meeting began the journey
of a life time</b>".</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;
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EN-US;mso-fareast-language:PT"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
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color:black;background:white;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:PT"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:
normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;
mso-fareast-language:PT">Interestingly this words are <b>not</b> also
in the beginning of Senge's well known "The Fifth Discipline",
neither in any other book or paper from Peter Senge that I have red.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
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color:black;background:white;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:PT"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
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color:black;background:white;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:PT"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
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mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;
mso-fareast-language:PT">Even if de Geus was the precursor and Senge the
follower, last year de Geus, that lives in the UK after his retirement,
accepted to give a Conference for the SOL-UK, in London, with the
title 'ORGANISATIONAL LEARNING – 20 YEARS POST SENGE - a talk by Arie de
Geus'. </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
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color:black;background:white;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:PT"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
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color:black;background:white;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:PT"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
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normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;
mso-fareast-language:PT">My complain to the Executive Director of SOL, where I
have quoted Senge's words above, and said that "the title of this
presentation is erroneous and even unethical, if not fraudulent" never
received an answer...</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;
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mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black;background:white;mso-ansi-language:
EN-US;mso-fareast-language:PT"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;
mso-fareast-language:PT">But probably things will self-organize one day...</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
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color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:PT"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:PT"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><br></div><div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "> </div><div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; " id="yiv1154861482yui_3_2_0_19_131684984462554" class="yiv1154861482yui_3_2_0_19_131684984462552"><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; " class="yiv1154861482yui_3_2_0_19_131684984462557"><font size="2" face="Arial"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Skye Hirst <skyeh@autognomics.org><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> World wide Open Space Technology email list <OSList@lists.openspacetech.org><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, September 24, 2011
1:54 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> [OSList] Skye on
living companies<br></font><br><div id="yiv1154861482"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Times; " class="yiv1154861482yui_3_2_0_19_131684984462599"><div><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Times; " class="yiv1154861482yui_3_2_0_19_1316849844625101">Thanks Arthur - reminds me of the thoughts of Arie deGeus in his book on "The Living Company" who studied what makes companies last beyond 40 years.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Times; " class="yiv1154861482yui_3_2_0_19_1316849844625103"><br></span></div><div>He makes an analogy between oxygen for living organisms and money for companies.<span style=""> "</span>To support life, we need oxygen to breath; but breathing oxygen is not our purpose.<span style=""> </span>Similarly to support continued operation, companies need to make money and profit; but that is not their purpose. When it is made their purpose they become money machines;
rigid mechanisms unable to adapt and
learn."</div></span><br><br><div> <span class="yiv1154861482Apple-style-span yiv1154861482yui_3_2_0_19_1316849844625109" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; font-size: medium; font-family: Helvetica; "><span class="yiv1154861482Apple-style-span yiv1154861482yui_3_2_0_19_1316849844625111" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; font-size: medium; font-family: Helvetica; "><span class="yiv1154861482Apple-style-span yiv1154861482yui_3_2_0_19_1316849844625113" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0,
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