Ria:<div>Thank you for this!! I've just spent the morning with this website, and it's just the framework we need for an arts-based watershed initiative that celebrates Ithaca's Six MIle Creek watershed as a PLACE resonant with history and thousands of diverse lives, human as well as plant and creature and rock and tree.</div>
<div><br></div><div>OSP is one way to bring people together across boundaries to envision and begin action planning for a cooperative future. Singing together by the waterfall is another.</div><div>Patricia Haines, Level Green Institute, Ithaca, NY<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:49 AM, Ria Baeck <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ria.baeck@vitis-tct.be">ria.baeck@vitis-tct.be</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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I know that the work at Saybrook University is inspired by the work
of the Powers of Place Initiative, headed by Sheryl Erickson. There
is a website with a very huge list of resources<br>
<a href="http://www.powersofplace.com/" target="_blank">http://www.powersofplace.com/</a><br>
and an online community with a list of transformational places
(PlaceBook):<br>
<a href="http://powersofplace-workspace.ning.com/" target="_blank">http://powersofplace-workspace.ning.com/</a><br>
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With love,<br>
Ria<br>
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On 8/06/11 17:22, <a href="mailto:donna.read@managing4wellness.org" target="_blank">donna.read@managing4wellness.org</a> wrote:
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<div>Well, I'm not sure that place should not be included. There
is some really interesting work being done in the OS
Department at Saybrook University on the "power of place." If
anyone is interested, I'll go dig it out. Best, Donna</div>
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Subject: [OSList] FW: Welcome to the 5th principle in order
to remain<br>
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From: "Harrison Owen" <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank">hhowen@verizon.net</a>><br>
Date: Tue, June 07, 2011 2:14 pm<br>
To: "'World wide Open Space Technology email list'"<br>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)">I think I’ve found the secret. It
is not so much what I said – but what we all said
which was “carried along” as a continuation of the
thread. So the answer is Delete, Delete, Delete. </span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"> </span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)">Maybe?</span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"> </span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)">Harrison<i></i></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"> </span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"> </span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)">Jorge – Welcome! And don’t stay
away so long!!</span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"> </span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)">Two principles about “time.” You’re
right! But are both necessary? I thought so at the
time (bad pun </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)">J</span><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)">). The principles (all of them)
popped into my head over a period of years as I
noticed the strange things that happened in Open Space
– and particularly the strange things that appeared to
perplex people. I found myself enunciating the
principles as a way of pointing out what they were
likely to run into and to suggest that, strange as it
might seem, everything would work out just fine. </span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"> </span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)">The first Principle should make the
point. Everybody was always concerned that the “right”
people come to a meeting. Usually they meant those
people with the political position, the appropriate
authority, or the right expertise. The experience,
however, went in a very different direction. Often it
seemed like that even if NONE of the “right” people
showed up still very useful things happened. I confess
it took me a while to figure out why that might be
true – but from the start, it just seemed like a fact
of life. Counter-intuitive as it might seem, “Whoever
comes is the right people.”</span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"> </span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)">The two “time” Principles showed up
for similar reasons. Obviously they are both about
time, but very different sorts of time. There is
“beginning” time and “ending” time. And people seemed
very concerned about each, but for different reasons.
I noticed that folks were often sweating the fact that
we might not start “on time.” But I also noticed that
whenever we started, everything seemed to work out
just fine – hence, “Whenever it starts is the right
time.”</span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"> </span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)">Ending time is a different
creature. And most people just really don’t want to
talk about it. In extreme situations that sort of time
is called “death.” But even in more proximate
situations, “ending” is something we would rather not
confront. Hopefully, things will just go on forever.
But the don’t! All of this becomes quite difficult
when we spend a lot of time and effort keeping
something going, when in fact it is already ended.
Dead so to speak. Companies that have seen better days
and should just retire from the field of battle with a
good funeral just keep plugging away, wasting massive
amounts of human energy and Spirit. In truth they
would do everybody a favor, themselves included, if
they would just admit the obvious, It’s over! Hence
the Principle: “When it is over, it’s over.”</span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"> </span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)">There is really nothing very arcane
and deep theory about these 5 Principles. Just funny
things I’ve noticed that sometimes seem to get in
people’s way as they move in Open Space. The
Principles don’t actually change a thing. What’s going
to happen will. But when folks have a “heads-up” it
seems to make it a little easier for them.</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)">Harrison</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)">Harrison Owen</span></div>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jorge amigo<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:11 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Jorge amigo'; 'World wide Open Space
Technology email list'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] Welcome to the 5th
principle in order to remain 4</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:navy">Dear community</span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:navy" lang="EN">I would like to delve a little deeper
on the idea that I have raised with the title "Welcome
the 5th principle in order to remain 4”.</span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:navy">First, tell you I appreciate and value the open
space is OSLIST virtual. I am basically a peripheral
participant OSLIST. Very few times I've written
something, but I am a legitimate peripheral to live in
freedom and responsibility to participate from time to
time on subjects that interest me. <br>
And this has been the case. The appearance of the
reflections and comments on the 5 th Principle has
interested me. </span><span style="font-size:10pt;color:navy" lang="EN">I believe that the talks that
have emerged on this new principle have been a great
contribution to cultivate the spirit of the OS, for to
flourish his essence.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;color:navy"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10pt;color:navy" lang="EN">The foundations for the incorporation
of this new principle seem solid and have been
exhibited with clarity by Harrison Owen and others.
This new principle, - which has always been there-,
makes me much sense incorporate it into the opening of
OS, because it provides an essential distinction to
the experience of the spirit of the OS. </span><span style="font-size:10pt;color:navy"></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:navy">But it was his appearance that made me take a
fresh look to each of the other Principles. I wondered
what was the equivalent contribution of each one,
which led me to review the focus and the ideas
associated with each. <br>
The focus of the first principle is people. The
recognition that whatever is done will be done by
people who are there. In our practice as facilitators,
with my dear friend Juan Luis, enunciated this
principle as "somos los que estamos, estamos los que
somos" an expression that our culture promotes the
idea that those are the best people to carry out the
task . This focus responds to the who / whom <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10pt;color:navy" lang="EN">The focus of the second, the action
is, what is happening, what people do, the experience
of what I will do - we will do, I do - we do, I did –
we did. The lived process, the successful product. It
responds to what</span><span style="font-size:10pt;color:navy" lang="ES"></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:navy">For me, the focus of the third and fourth
principle is only one, is time. Present as one
principle helps to raise awareness of the relationship
we have with time. From the experience of time to
create, to learn. To start and finish. The title of
this merger could be "when it starts, it starts, When
it is over, it is over." This focus responds to when </span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:navy">And there is the new principle, which brings
the experience of space itself. The place of meeting,
whatever, will always be an appropriate place. There
is the worry about whether he could be in a better
place, once there, this is the right place. </span><span style="font-size:10pt;color:navy" lang="ES">Responds to where. <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10pt;color:navy">That's how I came to wonder the idea of
welcoming the principle 5 in order to remain 4. <br>
But also in terms of form, I like the idea of 4 to 5
Principles. I think four is more harmonious with the
circle of the OS figure. Shape 4 shows key dimensions
of life: the 4 cardinal points, the 4 seasons, the 4
basic elements and others. Finally, also, that less is
more. <br>
But maybe I'm not seeing something important to
justify the two principles associated with the time
necessary and useful to present them separately. If
so, please ask me what they indicate. <br>
OS has been effective so far as it is and I believe
that the Principles are 4 or 5, does not add anything
significant. In any case, try my idea in the next OS
to provide. </span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:navy">Finally, reflect on the subject I have
found attractive, I recreated the spirit of OS. <br>
A hug for everyone and we hope in Chile, the right
place for the next Wosonos. <br>
Jorge Amigo </span></div>
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